Tuesday, February 26, 2008

What's in a name? And other miscellanea

Timmy has been looking up the origins of his surname, so I thought that I'd do the same.
Surname: Mounsey

Recorded in the spellings of Mouncey, Mounsey, Mounsie, Monsey, Muncey, Munsey, Munchay, and probably other rare forms as well, this is a surname of ancient French origins. Introduced into England at the Conquest of 1066, it is locational and originates from the various places called either Monceaux in the departement of Calvados, or Monchaux in the departements of Nord and Seine-Maritime. These places all take their names from the word "moncel", meaning a small hill.

The first named holder of the surname held the manor and estate called "Herstmoneaux" in the county of Sussex. This is recorded as "Hurst quod fuit Willelmi de Munceus" in the famous Domesday Book of 1086. Early recordings include Milisant de Munceehaus and Edoned de Munchaus in the register of the Knight Templars (Crusaders) of Lincolnshire in 1185, whilst the tax register known as the Feet of Fines for Gloucestershire mentions a William Munci in 1198.

Sir Walter de Mouncy is recorded at the battle of Falkirk in 1298, and at the siege of Carlaverock, Scotland, in the year 1300. Other later church register recordings taken from surviving records of the diocese of Greater London include those of William Munsy, who was christened at the church of St. Bartholomew Exchange, on August 25th 1577, Elizabeth Monsie, who married Anthony Allen, at St. Mary Woolchurch on August 29th 1559, and Ada Ellen Mouncey, who was baptised at St Brides, Fleet Street, on August 25th 1766. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

There you go...

In other mindless trivia news, I have been told that there is no word for "rhubarb" in Russian' this is odd since rhubarb is native to Asia.

The only reason that this is relevant is that my grandfather, the genealogist of the family, traced an ancestor of ours who was physician to Catherine the Great and, after her death, returned to his native Scotland, bringing with him, from Russia, the first example of a species of rhubarb.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe I have far too much trivia stuffed in my head. And it's never the kind of trivia that is useful for pub quizes either...

Song of the day: Dust [MP3], an early Carnival of Souls [under construction] track that, sadly, doesn't have the best quality sound but absolutely fucking rocks.
I nearly was free tonight;
My burden relieved, now let me fly;
But I have aged a lifetime,
In sadness

Hold onto the sacred in your life;
You may not succeed, but you have to try;
Listen hard to the voices within you,
They may be right

And YOU... choose faith over wisdom,
YOU... just see lights in the distance
I... would give truth for religion anyday

And YOU... would choose pain over pleasure
YOU... would kill for your treasure
I... am a stranger forever anyway

And if science is god then... then religion is DUST!

There's some beautiful climbing guitar work in this song; the scale climbs and climbs in the middle eight until you almost can't see that it will end (much like the descending guitar at the beginnning of Waterloo Sunset)...


Anonymous said...

A lot of Russian words are actually of Turkish origin. The Russian word for diamond is one example; this makes the plurals all weird and confuses really stupid teachers who don't know as much Russian as they should.

I don't like rhubarb.

haddock said...

looks like you are from the Lake district not Scotland.

Andrew Ian Dodge said...

I looked up my name on that thing and its a load of bollocks. Dodge is a Norman name that derives from the word dugge...ie breast in Norman.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Many Mounseys became Quakers, and there is a big grouping up north, especially in Darlington.

However, another branch is the Trails -- they owned most of Orkney at one point.


Alan Douglas said...

"Milisant de Munceehaus and Edoned de Munchaus" - so you are related to Baron von Munchhausen then.

Might have known ....

Alan Douglas

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Anonymous said...

The Russian for rhubarb is reven. They don't eat it though.

Many Russian words are of Turkic origin, I don't know of any of Turkish origin. They were introduced during the Mongolian yoke / mass Central Asian migration times, before Turkey was established.

Mr Eugenides said...

Sorry we have yet to research the origin of the surname Eugenides

Racist fuckers.

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