Friday, May 18, 2007

Beer in a glass, you bastards!

Via The Englishman, please go and sign this petition.
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to oppose calls by police to introduce blanket use of plastic glasses even in pubs and other licensed premises with no history of violence. We feel blanket bans on glass are unnecessary and will have a detrimental effect on the licensed trade and the drinking experience of the millions of law-abiding pub goers in well run establishments up and down the country.

Quite apart from the fact that the thought of having to drink my Bombardier from a plastic glass is quite abhorrent, we have to stop this pernicious culture in which the innocent majority are punished for the actions of the guilty few.


Anonymous said...

I'm available to smash a plastic glass into any memeber of Nu Labia's face to show just as much damage can be done.

Fidothedog said...

Down here in Newport they are trying to make it part of the conditions of having a license that all beer shall be served in plastic glasses after 8pm.

Despite only 25 incidents in Newport for a whole year in the designated safety zone.

Thats a zone of 40+ pubs serving over 70,000+ drinkers on a weekend.

Not to mention that plastic is as dangerous as glass.

Chuck Unsworth said...

I'd refuse to patronise any establishmment that serves its drinks in plastic glasses. It's a disgusting idea, apart from being pretty dubious from a conservation standpoint.

I always thought the change from straight glasses to mugs was a retrograde step, too.

Anonymous said...

Glass is a reusable container which can be properly cleaned, and when broken it can be recyled. Although energy is used in its manufacture, its core material is plentiful and does not get 'used up' as oil does, because scilicon dioxide just tends to be rearranged from one form of sand to another. It has a relatively low carbon footprint.

Plastic is not normally re-usable because it cannot be cleaned adequately to make it viable for use where there could be a public health issue. It is manufactured from non-renewable resources, and although it may be possible to recyle it, it is overwhelmingly likely to wind up in landfill. Thus it has a very high carbon foot print.

How does this fit with responsible environmental policies? Councils are under pressure to reduce landfill. Has this been put forward by somebody with shares in a plastic cup factory?

Roger Thornhill said...

Whoever dreamt up this pony of an idea clearly wears polyester underpants (on their head, probably) and drives a pale blue 2 door Vauxhall Nova (you know the kind, the ones with the little boot).

If they want to cut down on violence they should stop licensing vast stand-up drinking halls belting out music that create an environment for aggression, fast drinking, friction and thus violence.

The Remittance Man said...

Will they pour those godawful alcopops out into plastic glasses as well? What about those "exotic" beers from places like Durkadurkastan? The ones which are supposed to be served with a chunk of kiwi fruit screwed into the neck of the bottle.

Personally if this became law I'd take to carrying a pewter tankard to the pub. Not only would this provide a proper container for my beer, but if one is forced to use it as an anti-chav device one doesn't have to ask for a replacement afterwards.

berenike said...

beer in glass, absolutely.

However, the British should also consider moving to *tea* in glasses. Good quality tea easily available, the skill of tea brewing not yet a folk culture artefact - all these things are strong points of the British tea-drinking culture. However, on the drinking receptacle front, the Russians should be observed.

A new petition. That Home Economics classes be given some purpose by being used to promote the drinking of tea in glasses.

berenike said...

damn, I said however twice. However, I apologise and will try to avoid doing so in future.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Anonymous "silicon dioxide just tends to be rearranged from one form of sand to another"

Brilliant! We know that we don't re-use much glass in this country as it tends to arrive wrapped round wine from California or Roumania or somewhere, but we can recycle the glass by grinding it up and spreading it on beaches! Careful you don't any in your eye, that could really hurt!

Anonymous said...

Dear Mark

The sand use I was thinking of was what we have been using it round here for; i.e. it is used under road beds and in aggregates. It is a good inert building material. Depending on what you cut it with and how it is crushed, the edges either don't matter or can be blunted.

Best to have a look at the industrial uses of sand before assuming it is only good for sandcastles.

I'd rather re-circulate our wine wrappers than the present stupidity where we are gouging up chunks of countryside and seabeds to suck out virgin sand and then have mountains of broken bottles, which are essentially the same material in, if anything, a purer form, going begging.

Sand follows a path which we have been down before; the current accounting makes it easier and cheaper to mine out the new stuff and treat it than to re-use the old. But the cost of what to do with it is hidden in those landfills. In fact, the only really good reason to dump it is that broken glass also acts as an aggregate there and helps speed up other decompositions.

This quote from the somewhat nannyish 'wasteonline' sums it up:

"Using present technology the UK glass industry has the capacity to recycle over one million tonnes of glass each year and this coupled with the material's unique ability to be infinitely recycled without compromising its quality creates a compelling case for the recycling of glass."

My answer will do something practical based on fairly simple technology. It's not brilliant, but it is not stupid either.

Your answer seems to be a not very hilarious joke, as you don't appear to have even examined a bucket of beach sand and noticed how much ground processed glass there is already in it.

Treat yourself to a day out; go build a sandcastle and ponder this miraculous shape-shifting stuff.

Oh yeah? So what has happened for the last ten years, exactly?

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