Wednesday, August 23, 2006

Stuff the Turkey, Polly

Via Prodicus (who has taken her apart quite nicely), I read—somewhat belatedly—this article by her royal Toynbee-ness. Needless to say, it is the usual spite-filled bollocks, but one thing stands out particularly (and I post it here because CiF is not allowing posts on that thread).
If they join the union, will Britain again be one of the few to let their citizens work here immediately? And what of Turkey next?

It would be a disaster for the EU to refuse entry altogether to countries that need help to grow, especially Turkey, a Muslim nation we need to include.

Really? We need to include Turkey? Would that be this Turkey?
A survey by a university in Turkey has shown almost 40% support for the practice of "honour killing".

The results come days after a court in Istanbul gave a life sentence for the murder of a girl by her brothers for giving birth to a child out of wedlock.

It questioned 430 people, most of them men. When asked the appropriate punishment for a woman who has committed adultery, 37% replied she should be killed.

Twenty-five percent said that she deserved divorce, and 21% that her nose or ears should be cut off.

The survey group was small but the results are a reminder that "honour killing" - a practice where women are murdered for allegedly bringing shame on their family - still has significant support in parts of Turkey.

No thanks, Polly: I think we can do without more vicious Muslims who support this most disgusting—it's air of justification, the craven appeal to "honour", makes it so—of practices, thank you very much.

But thanks for offering this ray of light:
Another big migration could imperil the EU itself.

Here's hoping.


Anonymous said...

I see what you're saying about Turkey and honour killings DK, but the door swings both ways.

Is it not conceivable that, when/if Turkey joins the EU, further integration with their continental neighbours would mean that the Turks attitudes to (say) honour killings change for the better?

Why do you think all the secular, moderate reformers in Turkey are pushing for EU Membership? You seem to think Islamic fundamentalism has the power to change minds... yet you do not extend the same courtesy to our own liberal culture.

Or would you condemn Turkey to further integration with their neighbours to the East, instead?

Devil's Kitchen said...


Is that the liberal culture that has done so very well in this country that 1 in 3 British Muslims want to live under the particularly illiberal sharia law? You know, the one that their "moderate" leaders are campaigning for? Yup, another triumph for the liberal culture there, right enough.

And why should we tolerate more people whose values are not ours? How about they embrace -- truly -- our liberal values and then we let them in? Or is that racist/cultist/religionist or something...?


Anonymous said...

Nah, its not. Just isolationist... or something. Countries and cultures don't evolve in isolation. They're effected - often quite profoundly - by those around it. Do you not think better relations with Europe and Britain would be good for Turkey?

Reading all these posts, I'm just surprised that you think that our liberal culture cannot see off the threats to our way of life (I'm specifically talking about culture as attitudes and values here, not terrorists threats or Ahmedinijad's nuclear programme. I think we can see that off too, but that's a different discussion). Sure, a minority would like to see Sharia law in this country... but your complaints at this are hardly the lone-voice lost in the wind.

Your most recent post deals with your complaints of the fucking idiots that drunkenly populate the Edinburgh Fringe. My guess is you've had a similarly horrible experience as me today, walking through West Port or somewhere similar. How can you look at the ugly behemoth that is Western culture, the diversity of explicit self-expression of the Fringe, and worry that we could ever be threatened by something as puritan as Sharia? If they try to impose those values here, we'll vomit all over them.

I'm off for a kebab.

Serf said...

Why do you think all the secular, moderate reformers in Turkey are pushing for EU Membership?

You'll notice also that the current Islamist Government is a supporter of EU membership. They all think that the EU will offer them what they want. As they all want something different, they can't all be right.

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