Saturday, February 04, 2006

Look at these Peaceful religious types out for a stroll!

[Indulging in clear incitement to violence, shurely—Ed]



Via EU Referendum.

UPDATE: Remember, chaps, these people are not representative.
"It is the majority of Muslims - who were born here, raised here, do their damnedest (sp?) to get on in life and who are British - who suffer because of the lunacy of those self-selected nutcases who claim to represent Muslims in the UK."

These people are definitely not ordinary UK Muslims, right? These are "self-selected nutcases". You'd better remember that, OK? We are not in any danger...

UPDATE: The P-G writes the following:
DK,

You misrepresent me extremely badly. I would prefer that you edit your update accordingly.

I am not saying for a moment that we are not in any danger. I am being clear that the danger arises from a tiny nutcase minority.

If we are to give moderate Muslims the chance to stand up for themselves and to root out the nutcases, we have to show that we are open, honest, reasonable and rational.

Non-Muslims cannot do this on their own, because we are outside the self-declared terms of the Islamonazis. We HAVE to recruit the moderates to our side if we are actually going to do something about this.

Think for a moment how a moderate but wavering (and scared, damnit) Muslim would read your comment.

This is too important to fuck about DK. Get a grip and read some of my other posts.

FREE SPEECH FOR MUSLIMS! IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH ONES ARE THE NUTTERS.

To be absolutely clear: NO the nutters in the picture above (and you may notice my comments on this here) are NOT ordinary Muslims. These are indeed nutcases and are the only ones who are represented by the self-selected nutcases of the MCB et al.

Your inference is that basically ALL UK Muslims support this fascism is deeply insulting to every decent Muslim from this nice young lady right down to the chap who keeps your corner shop going when few "native" Britons would be prepared to put in the hours needed to do so and everyone in between.

I resent the suggestion otherwise.

My issue is how tiny, exactly, is this minority? Are we talking about ten or twenty loonies spread throughout the country? Or are we talking about several hundred? A few thousand? And aren't the MCB supposed to be the voice of "moderate" Muslims?

Are all of those people marching in that picture up there—marching and carrying placards quite blatantly calling for the murder of European citizens and, might I point out, in a country that has not even published the damn cartoons—being coerced or paid to do this? Or are they all what some might call "Islamofascist crazies"?

Isn't writing off the MCB as "self-selected nutcases" a little dangerous? These are people who believe passionately in their religion, they are not certified lunatics. For sure, we secular types may find the strength of their faith as disconcerting as their interpretation of it, but they are not insane. If they were, we could just section them and not worry about it.

I do not believe that all UK Muslims support this lunacy, by any means. My inference was meant to be that, despite all our prostestations about "a few nutters" and "moderates", a larger proportion than we may think do suport this kind of thing.

Furthermore, if those are nutters in that picture above, what, exactly, have we done about it?
FREE SPEECH FOR MUSLIMS! IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH ONES ARE THE NUTTERS.

OK, if all of those people nutters, what exactly have we done about it? We let the protest go, despite the clear incitement to violence. Do we think that BNP supporters carrying signs saying "Hang the Pakis" would have been treated in the same way?

I admit that my rhetoric may be slightly inflammatory at times, but that is because I am severely worried. I do not think that all, or even a majority, of British Muslims support this kind of thing, but I do suspect that a larger proportion than we thought do.

UPDATE 2: Strange Stuff puts the numbers into perspective.

10 comments:

rockmother said...

And yet these little murder boys got police protection from a middle-aged man who had the temerity to object.

Why were none of the little murder boys arrested, though clearly in breach of the law?

Oh - silly me - that's reserved for anyone who seems to disagree with the little murder boys.

Katy Newton said...

I believe this picture was taken shortly before they all burst into an impromptu close-harmony rendition of songs from the popular musical "The Sound of Music"?

michael the tubthumper said...

i think it is all unpleasant stuff but the story is being used to try and whip up an US v Them mentality

Devil's Kitchen said...

Michael,

Do you mean a US and Them mentality, or a Us and Them mentality?

If it's the first, that shows either a massive faith in the US's sphere of influence or a worrying paranoia.

If it's the latter, then who's doing the whipping up? Because, what this episode continues to show is that, broadly speaking, it is us and them. It's us (the Western free world and the moderate Muslims who also think that this is all a bit silly) versus the Muslims who would govern our societies around their hideous, mediaeval beliefs.

DK

larissa said...

If we back down in the face of this then the terrorists have won. What a waste of the freedom living in the West has brought them; if this didn't make me so effing furious I'd find it pathetic.

The Pedant-General in Ordinary said...

DK,

You misrepresent me extremely badly. I would prefer that you edit your update accordingly.

I am not saying for a moment that we are not in any danger. I am being clear that the danger arises from a tiny nutcase minority.

If we are to give moderate Muslims the chance to stand up for themselves and to root out the nutcases, we have to show that we are open, honest, reasonable and rational.

Non-Muslims cannot do this on their own, because we are outside the self-declared terms of the Islamonazis. We HAVE to recruit the moderates to our side if we are actually going to do something about this.

Think for a moment how a moderate but wavering (and scared, damnit) Muslim would read your comment.

This is too important to fuck about DK. Get a grip and read some of my other posts.

FREE SPEECH FOR MUSLIMS! IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH ONES ARE THE NUTTERS

The Pedant-General in Ordinary said...

DK,

To be absolutely clear: NO the nutters in the picture above (and you may notice my comments on this here) are NOT ordinary Muslims. These are indeed nutcases and are the only ones who are represented by the self-selected nutcases of the MCB et al.

Your inference is that basically ALL UK Muslims support this fascism is deeply insulting to every decent Muslim from this nice young lady right down to the chap who keeps your corner shop going when few "native" Britons would be prepared to put in the hours needed to do so and everyone in between.

I resent the suggestion otherwise.

PG

Andrew Field said...

Ditto to P-G here Chris (although that's no surprise really considering I have been diligently trying to comment along these lines for a while),

I know you don't set out to be constructive and are merely airing the first drafts of the first thoughts that you think on any given subject.

But as P-G said, with something THIS important that simply isn't good enough.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Why is this so important now? And why is my outrage at hundreds of people are demonstrating with placards inciting murder so contentious?

As I said, our press haven't even published the sodding cartoons. Neither did I, you'll notice. My reason was that, on reflection, I thought that they were fairly offensive (and crap). Nor have I indulged in lots of buttons saying Support Denmark. Because, and I cannot stress this enough, it is not simply a Danish issue any more.

My opinion is that it is important because certain Muslims have shown their hand and the liberals are in a flap. Because there are, as I have said, an awful lot more of them than we anticipated. And it's only a matter of time before the liberal media say that it is all our fault for not getting our message across to these people and the only reason that they are protesting is because we have failed to integrate them properly, that we have "disempowered" them.

If there are any liberal Muslims reading this blog, please let me know your feelings on this situation: I will publish them. You can email me, or comment, anonymously if you wish and I will publish - unedited - your comments.

DK

The Pedant-General in Ordinary said...

DK,

That's a good clarification, but undoubtedly a necessary one.

You ask "Why is this so important now? And why is my outrage at hundreds of people are demonstrating with placards inciting murder so contentious?"

Second part first: your outrage is not contentious. It is the way that you express it that is: I know that this meme is all about self-censorship, but you do need to consider how someone who wants to be uncharitable could go to town on such a remark.

Which brings me to the first question: why is this so important NOW? Because for once in their lives the morons at the BBC have realised just exactly how clear is the demarcation betweent the good guys and the bad guys.

There simply isn't any room for moral equivalency. Whilst the nutcases are on the backfoot, we have the chance to extend the hand of friendship and freedom. Whilst the nutcases are on the backfoot, it is considerably easier for moderates to join a peaceful counter-demo in support of the hard won freedoms of the "West". Now is our chance to encourage them to do so.

And I agree - this is no longer simply a Danish issue. Even if it were, We are all Danes now.

PG

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