Friday, March 11, 2011

Nearly one third of Britons are in receipt of benefits

The Express today reported that some 20 million Britons are in receipt of benefits.

Because it was the Express, I decided to go and find the original Public Accounts Committee report and, sure enough, this figure is accurate. [Emphasis mine.]
  1. The Department for Work and Pensions is responsible for much of the benefits system, and the majority of payments are processed by the Department's agencies, Jobcentre Plus and the Pension, Disability and Carers Service. The benefits system is both large and complex: there are around 30 different types of benefits and pensions, with 900 distinct rates of payment.[2] In 2009-10, some £148 billion of payments were made to 20 million people.[3]

As Obnoxio dryly commented on Twitter...
That is one FUCK OFF "safety net"

Indeed.

It's also one fucking massive client state...

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

I read the same statistic today online on the American internet saying 1/3 of the US population is currently depending on handouts. This included retirement benefits, welfare and welfare related and also the category of unemployment benefits, which were at one time only 6 months long, between jobs, but have been extended for several years and seem to have become a permanent feature. Their two parties are talking minimal cuts to their budget but trying to make it appear as if it's a lot, when it's only a few small percentage points being discussed. So basically the US is doing nothing and sliding down the road to bankruptcy this year also.

Furor Teutonicus said...

Scrap the lot. NILL benefits for ANY one for ANY thing.

You want unemployment/sickness/ "benefit", doctor/dentist/hospital/school, etc, go out and find a private insurance/health/education company with a policy/service to suit, DON'T come snivelling to me, through the tax office, for a hand out.

Longrider said...

Unfortunately, that includes me. Not for the want of trying to avoid it, mind.

The last time I was between jobs, I always managed to get temporary work fairly easily. Not this time round, though. When I finally ran out of money, having tired all avenues for nearly six months, I had no choice.

One thing I've realised is that there just isn't the work out there - even if you are prepared to take anything as I have been.

Roue le Jour said...

And that's why Mr. Cameron isn't a Conservative. Any questions?

Unity said...

Oh FFS, will someone please read PAC report that DK quotes and engage their brain...

"30 different types of benefits and pensions"

As there are around 12-13 million older people in receipt of a state retirement pension and/or pension credit and 7 million households who receive child benefit, there's your 20 million people.

the a&e charge nurse said...

What, scrounging oldies still receiving pensions?

We are simply not working hard enough to distill the majority of the wealth into the hands of a few
http://www.ippr.org.uk/uploadedFiles/projects/Wealth%20Distribution.pdf

Z said...

I think that this would have more weight if there were some differentiation between being on benefits and being in receipt of a state retirement pension.

the a&e charge nurse said...

"I think that this would have more weight if there were some differentiation between being on benefits and being in receipt of a state retirement pension" - yes, we have to make sure that we vilify the right group of scroungers?

Some have the temerity to live in a house when we have perfectly serviceable tents - it's an outrage I tell you?

Z said...

That's silly and not my point, The A&e Charge Nurse. I didn't call anyone a scrounger, and I see no reason why a person should not claim a benefit he or she is entitled to. If there were some breakdown of the figures, for example to separate out the people who are in receipt of a state retirement pension and no other benefit, they would make more sense.

the a&e charge nurse said...

True, you didn't - but isn't that the general tenor of the OP?

I mean the focus on numbers implies that nowadays the UK is drowning in a tsunami of scroungers?

Z said...

I think that the majority of people on pensions and benefits deserve and are entitled to them. If there are "scroungers", it's because the system allows it.

the a&e charge nurse said...

I think that the majority of people on pensions and benefits deserve and are entitled to them - I agree, but you are straying into dangerous water (in the kitchen) when words like deserve, and entitlement precede benefit.

The clear implication of the OP is that the 'safety net' has grown too large - for some social security provides evidence that we have developed a more civilised approach to vulnerable members of our society while others simply regard such expenditure as a form of 'THEFT'.

Anonymous said...

@Unity:

According to TFA "The £148billion total includes state pensions and welfare benefits, but not tax credits nor child benefit, which another agency handles.

Your general point still stands though. Lots of pensioners

Roue le Jour said...

Add in the government employees and that's over half the electorate, which is bound to distort the democratic process somewhat.

wv: ponza!

Anonymous said...

I think the number of people on benefits is not the issue. ITs the number of people who are on benefits who have not paid into the system, thats the real issue. I have no problem with a 70 year old man taking a state pension for 20 years, if he has worked and paid taxes for his entire working life.

Furor Teutonicus said...

XX Anonymous said...

I think the number of people on benefits is not the issue. ITs the number of people who are on benefits who have not paid into the system, thats the real issue.XX

Which is precisely the problem that hit Germany with Köhls wet dream project, of assimilating the old DDR into the real world as quickly as possible.

Anonymous said...

Child allowance is part of the problem. Why are people on a decent incomes paying ridiculous amounts of tax only to be given some back from our benevolent government to spend on the kids? Classic example of middle class welfare. Not to mention patronising as fuck.

David C said...

That moron Brown made the number a whole lot bigger with his tax credits system. That put most ordinary families onto benefits. They take it in tax, deduct their expenses, then give you a bit of it back.

MTG said...

Strange the 'Furor' pours his vile scorn on benefits. This diabetic and chronic hypocrite (aka Von Spreuth) has been living on Federal benefits for the last decade.

Furor Teutonicus said...

Considering the queer cunt, known as MTG does not even know my fucking name, he assumes to know a lot about me.

Guess he is upset because he was blackballed from the masons.