Monday, December 28, 2009

Long live the war!

Sunny Hundal: condoning class war. Would he be so keen on a race war?

Via Tom Harris (who is agin it, but for all the wrong reasons), there is a post at Liberal Conspiracy entitled Long Live The Class War Strategy.
Class War remains an electorally viable strategy because: (a) a majority of voters are persuaded by the implication; (b) it highlights wedge issues Labour needs to advance to narrow their defeat; (c) extensive polling shows that most ‘class war’ positions are deeply popular.

The author is, inevitably, that fucking unpleasant little arse, Sunny Hundal. Well, Sunny, here's a proposition for you...

Let's declare a race war.

Given the fact that immigration often tops the concern of ordinary British voters (such as in this February YouGov poll), it would be an excellent election strategy for Labour to adopt, wouldn't it? After all, Labour, the Tories and the LibDems all seem to be vying to have the most draconian immigration policies at present, so such a measure would surely be tacitly approved by the Big Three.

Surely it is time that Labour had the courage of their convictions and initiated a full-blown war on non-whites? Gordon got it started with "British jobs for British workers": now it is time to start defining who is, in fact, British—perhaps Nick Griffin could help out?

Do you think that you are sufficiently British to satisfy the knuckle-dragging morons of the BNP, Sunny? Are your "Sikh parents of Indian origin" sufficiently British, Sunny? Maybe, maybe not.

I would imagine hope that Sunny would be horrified at the idea of a race war: why, then, is he so happy to condone a class war?

It's because he is a Grade A hypocrite and a divisive little shit. After all, Sunny's career has basically been based on the fact that brown people like himself are different from the whites. This is why he runs publications like Asians In Media or websites like Pickled Politics and (the now defunct) Barfi Culture—fora that "deal with issues concerning the British Asian community".

Once again, we see how the Left prefers to label people by their differences—and why? So that human beings can be kept at each others' throats—through the generation of class envy, race hatred, religious differences. This is an old, old tactic which I call divide et impera—divide and rule—and I have written about it extensively.

It is better for people to be labelled, put into boxes and the differences between them emphasised—rather than uniting them in the realision that we are all human beings together—because that causes problems and tensions.

And then slimy political fucks like Hundal can rise up and present their solutions to the problems that they created in the first place. In short, people like Sunny want to pigeon-hole people and to create emnity between them because it allows cunts like Sunny to seize power.

Naturally Sunny doesn't want to cause a race war, because he and his might get hurt; besides, he has happily gained traction in that area and causing his power base trouble might decrease his power.

But encouraging a class war... Ah, well, Sunny will be on the side of The Righteous in that one. You see, Sunny Hundal isn't out to solve your problems: like every other Lefty political shitehawk, he is gunning for an increase in his personal power over everyone else.

And, believe me, Sunny Hundal doesn't care how many dead bodies he has to climb over to get it.

UPDATE: there are some eager class-warriors—specifically D-Notice on Twitter, SohoPolitico on Twitter, LeftOutside on Twitter and Left Outside on the original post—who seem to be a little confused about this argument. The issue can be summed up by SohoPolitico's Tweet.
I see @devilskitchen has taken the right's BS about class war to its logical conclusion. Old Etonians are apparently a race. FFS.

And can then be bulwarked by another of D-Notice's Tweets.
@devilskitchen Correct me if I'm wrong, but class isn't an hereditary trait, unlike race...

OK, let's try to explain why D-Notice and the others are wrong.

First, they seem to be defining "class" by which school you went to, which is nuts.

Second, is your class defined by the money that you earn—if it is, as someone on the median wage, I should be with the workers, right? But I went to Eton so I can't be with the workers: is that right?

OK. So, my class must be defined by my parents; Sunny's race is defined by his parents. I can no more help the income of my parents than Sunny can affect the race of his.

So, there is an equivalence: yes?

UPDATE 2: John B has a reasonable reply to my point.
How about a war on those who’ve acquired lots of money by good luck, rather than hard work or wise business decisions, and which consists solely of taking some of their money away and giving it to people who’ve ended up without much money by bad luck?

More generally: it’s possible to conceive of a strategy marketed as ‘class war’ that consisted of reviling people like DK and Nosemonkey (and, probably, me) for their accents. This would be a stupid and morally wrong strategy, on a par with one that reviled people on the basis of their religion.

Or, it’s possible to conceive of a strategy marketed as ‘class war’ that consisted of higher taxes on unearned income, lower taxes on low earners, refocusing government spending towards poor areas (e.g. by changing the way central council tax grants are distributed), etc. Or even of one that merely consisted of not lowering taxes on unearned income or high earners, while not cutting government spending on people who were poor.

This isn't something that I subscribe to, but at least John has attempted to define the terms.

UPDATE 2: here is a continuation of this conversation.

39 comments:

Martin said...

Yet more proof that there are no "flavours" of collectivist thinking. Collectivism is collectivism is collectivism.

Veri: Sunni. I shit you not.

Mr Eugenides said...

[mixes long G&T, lights cigar, leans back in armchair and awaits fireworks]

Prodicus said...

Any more gin in that bottle?

Devil's Kitchen said...

I thought I'd kick off this new period with a bang...

DK

North Northwester said...

Great post.

After Islam, Left-wing totalitarianism has the highest-ever body count for any ideology; leaving fascism in a distant third place by a long chalk. Sunny's just siding with his genocidal pals Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Trostsky and Stalin.
No biggie.

ScotsToryB said...

Cast(e)ing pearls before swine,eh?

STB.

Anonymous said...

Why Sunny Hundal Is A Cunt - Part 437.

Roger Thornhill said...

Indeed, once you begin down the road if "us" and "them", one may lose control of those definitions or scope, "all the laws being flat" and all that, and a pickle in you most certainly are.

As for collectivism, voluntary collectivism is fine, even in a Socialist form as long as it remains just that - voluntary.

Anonymous said...

Howzabout a complete intelligence-type file on the twat?

DK?

I'm sure it will be put to good use.

Atheist Ranter said...

Superb post! Excellent....

RavingMad said...

Sunny is just fucking wrong, again!!

Jenn of the Jungle said...

"It is better for people to be labelled, put into boxes and the differences between them emphasised—rather than uniting them in the realision that we are all human beings together—because that causes problems and tensions."

Funny thing is, we are all different. Ever looked at a fish tank? The neons swim with neons, the mollies with mollies, the guppies with guppies. Sure they all live in the same tank but they don't really like each other. And if you force them together, they fight.

So why force it.

DomFisher said...

It's that old dilemma with the ineffable cunt. Does he need to be opposed or can he been safely ignored?

Anonymous said...

After Islam, Left-wing totalitarianism has the highest-ever body count for any ideology; leaving fascism in a distant third place by a long chalk. Sunny's just siding with his genocidal pals Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Trostsky and Stalin."

I'm sorry North Northwester, but "after Islam"!? Unless I've missed a few genocides then however nasty Islam is (and I accept that its Islamofascist variant is evil)it's an activity for amateurs on the mass murder front in comparison with the left.

David Davis (Libertarian Alliance) said...

Who exactly is Cunny-Suntal?

subrosa said...

Well done DK for posting about a taboo subject. I salute you.

JuliaM said...

Hmm, let's see JohnB try to sell the concept of removing wealth from lotto winners, bingo winners and betting shop winners to the masses...

I'll get a plastic bag ready for the remains.

Rumbold said...

I disagree with Sunny on this (and don't see the point of targeting any one group), especially as class is such a problem to define (though as Sunny is thinking from an anti-Tory mindset his argument makes sense, in political terms).
It is wrong to say though that he made a name for himself on the basis of:

"After all, Sunny's career has basically been based on the fact that brown people like himself are different from the whites."

Sites like Pickled Politics (and yes, I know I'm biased) have for years tried to push the opposite view; that you can't stereotype people and put them in boxes. Sunny made a name for himself criticising the sort of lazy government/media thinking that valued 'community leaders' and turned a blind eye to things like forced marriage and honour killings, because they happened in 'minority communities'.

RememberBeslan said...

@anonymous

Check your history. In every muslim country except Indonesia, Islam was imposed by mass slaughter. Then there are countries like France, Spain, Bulgaria, Greece, Ethiopia etc etc where muslim invasion was eventually repelled but with heavy losses. Add well over a thousand years of African slavery genocide. The total beats Communism & Socialism by many millions.

Sunny Cuntdal said...

OMG, YOU'RE ALL RACISTS!!!1!!! LOLZ!1!!!

Rumbold said...

Islma was imposed by mass slaughter? Nonsense. On the contrary, the earliest Arab invaders discouraged conversion to Islam because it meant that the person would no longer have to pay the jizya, and they would become eligible for a share of booty. There are examples of forced conversion in Islamic history (the Turks did it for reasons of state in order to create the janissaries), but most minorities were largely left alone because the Muslims just didn't care that much. Obviously Muslims were more likely to find favour in a Muslim state, but that's hardly an argument that minorities were slaughtered en masse.

LH said...

A bit of a waste of a wonderful post: Sunny's as thick as pigshit so he won't even begin to get it.

john in cheshire said...

Can we have a referendum on which war we want to fight next? My vote would be for a war on islam. But aren't we in the middle of that already? It's just that they are winning, with the help of the white, english hating socialists.

Dick Puddlecote said...

Knew you'd been quiet too long.

Hundal's stock-in-trade condescending and ranting response, without even a vague attempt at debate or calm rebuttal, will be eagerly awaited.

Dick Puddlecote said...

Wonder what his stance is about redistributing wealth from the average to the insanely wealthy?

Labour love it with menaces (and tax, of course).

Foxy Brown said...

Perhaps someone should remind Sunny Boy that his Labour bredrins, having ushered in a culture of low expectations and victimhood, are responsible for social mobility being at an all-time low.

Uncle Bob said...

Bring it on lefties! Just don't be surprised when it backfires on you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCtfUgBtNw&feature=related

Gareth said...

I guess that's Hatty Harperson for the chop then.

Can Sunny really see no irony in hoping a Benn starts talking up conservatives repealing the hunting ban?

Why should it seem wrong for the Conservatives to be interested in fox hunting? Parliament spent ages debating it. A Conservative Parliament would spend ages debating it again. A sure sign they had nothing better to do.

It was a Labour manifesto pledge, it should have been rammed through for good or ill rather than fanny about. A contemptible performance from all in Westminster to spend so much time and money crafting such a useless piece of shit. Good God (can I still say that?) talk about not having courage in your convictions if one of the few things they did do as promised took so sodding long and ended up being utterly useless.

Handy distraction though weren't it.

Richard said...

I would love a class war. Unfortunately, the only class war that Gordon Brown seems to want to dig up is a class war in which the real ruling class will be strengthened by pretending that it is helping protect against some fake ruling class: In other words, I am all for a class war, the class we should be at war being the political class, headed by thieving, sponging MPs who's excuse for their actions are that the rules they create for themselves excuse their actions. Or against the bureacrats, who's overriding incentives are to find more ways to interfere with our lives, so there is more work and funding for their departments overseeing this intereference. Perhaps a class war of the private sector against the state sector, since the recession hit the private sector hardest, with more jobs lost there, and the public sector, meanwhile, have their protected jobs and pensions at private sector expense.

A class war against the state?!

................................. said...

"Gordon got it started with "British jobs for British workers": now it is time to start defining who is, in fact, British—perhaps Nick Griffin could help out?"

What, again?

The Lakelander said...

From what I can gather, most of the Labour front bench are trying to distance themselves from Gordon's pathetic attempt to start a class war.

As with everything he does, he has managed to find himself out on his own

JuliaM said...

Rumbold, have you heard the expression 'damning with faint praise'?

Because answering the people you feel are picking on Islam with "Islma was imposed by mass slaughter? Nonsense. On the contrary, the earliest Arab invaders discouraged conversion to Islam because it meant that the person would no longer have to pay the jizya..." doesn't really help your cause, does it?

It's like someonr saying 'No, no! I'm not a murderer! I'm an extortionist!"

Bishop Brennan said...

Perhaps the blogosphere should re-name him Sunny Hoondal?

And award him 'Cunt of the Week'...

Rumbold said...

JuliaM:

"It's like someonr saying 'No, no! I'm not a murderer! I'm an extortionist!"

I wasn't rying to argue that Islam was spread through peace and love, merely that it was rarely imposed by force (and for the time, The Arabs conquerors were religiously tolerant).

North Northwester said...

Anonymous 12/28/2009 07:07:00 PM said...
"..After Islam, Left-wing totalitarianism has the highest-ever body count for any ideology..."

I'm sorry North Northwester, but "after Islam"!? Unless I've missed a few genocides then however nasty Islam is (and I accept that its Islamofascist variant is evil)it's an activity for amateurs on the mass murder front in comparison with the left.

Anonymous, I’m thinking of this.
Also blogged about here and here for example. It’s a theory: one proposed by people whose expertise and knowledge I respect in these matters. It may be worth a look, as you’re interested and arguing rationally and clearly, I think, on the ‘good’ side.

Long, slow, agonising genocide.

Hughes. said...

Loathe Blair though I do, he knew he had to get the affluent middle-class on board to gain power, though the grotesque baggage of odious professional victims and over-reaching, over-represented minority interests that desperate old-Labour had hooked in its dragnets in the electoral oblivion of the 80's was a grubby bonus to help the seat tally.

Endless pandering to perpetually aggrieved, self-righteous self-pity lobbyists is what has led to the powerful surge in BNP support, and if Labour delude themselves they can win back white-van man with a campaign of chip-on-the-shoulder envy baiting they'll land themselves back where they were in the Foot/Kinnock years.

That actually sounds pretty good to me! A generation out of power for the cloying forces of state-enforced mediocrity is just what this country needs.

David said...

Sunny seems to be working very closely with Paul Sagar:

http://badconscience.com/2009/12/28/class-war-jim-but-not-as-we-knew-it/

http://badconscience.com/2009/12/29/some-more-on-class-war/

who tells us proudly that he got 5As at A-Level and likes to refer to himself in the 3rd person

http://badconscience.com/about-2/

Matthew Hopkins said...

Sooner the better - how dare these people earn more than others? The sooner we progress GBs policies of reducing everyone to level or a third world country carrying money in wheelbarrows the better. That way no-one can complain about others having more than they do. After all why should someone who takes on a mountain of debt at uni and wastes 3 years of their life in poverty be paid more than an idle feckless layabout who though education a waste of time and does the bare minimum.

Fair means equal. Equality means treating the same. I worked bloody hard to educate myself (and paid for it myself). I went without as an investment in myself and my loved ones. I refuse to accept that a disproportionate burden for clearing up the catastrophe that is our current government should be laid at my door.

Medic said...

Actually, there's a slight problem with the "class is defined by your parents" argument. Yes , if your parents are working class, then you will always be from a working class background, but if you go to medical school and graduate as a doctor, you are automatically now in a different social class. This cannot be done with race (yet).