Friday, September 11, 2009

The Prime Mentalist?

A few days back an article appeared—also published in full on Old Holborn's site—claiming that Brown was taking extremely strong anti-depressants called MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors). This article added fuel to the fire about the Prime Minister's alleged erratic behaviour.

Now that Guido and Iain have picked it up, I feel that it is only fair to Brown—cue much grinding of pointy teeth—to publish the other side. I was at a party recently, when I bumped into a good friend of mine—who, like many of my friends, I haven't seen in a long time—and who is now working in the Cabinet Office.

I forwarded John Ward's article to said friend, wondering if they had any comment. Sure, I knew that my friend would not have daily contact with Brown, but I was pretty sure that they would have some knowledge of what is going on. And, since my friend has also had some experience with depression, I was sure that they would have some idea about MAOIs.

So, here—published with permission—is the comment from my trusted friend in the Cabinet Office [edited for clarity and to hide any identity]. Yes, the source is anonymous, but so are just about all the others that I have read—especially in John Ward's article.
... I'd say most of it is utter bollocks. Firstly (and I have quite a speciality here as well), no one would prescribe MAOIs. These have such horrendous side effects that an individual taking them would need to be in a lot of trouble, and would be likely to be in hospital.

Secondly, although his politics are not mine, [Brown] is genuinely lovely. His major problem was that Blair looked really good on camera.

Brown is intelligent, jovial and quite lovely close-up, he's just not a good enough TV presence to make up for that. I've had some lovely stories about him from No 10—especially from the little people.

Most have seen a few PMs now, and my favourite anecdote was around the politeness. Apparently most of No 10 think he and Sarah are just the loveliest people. Never a harsh word spoken etc.

Blair was ok, but his wife made their lives hell and treated them like plantation workers, while John Major was "a cunt. Just a cunt through and through."

Obviously, Cabinet members and senior civil servants arguing policy with him are likely to see a more argumentative side.

The man is almost certainly depressed. One in three of us are, and we're not theoretically responsible for the lives and deaths of millions of people.

Plus the loss of child, eye and so forth can't be easy to overcome. I think he lives for his work and his wife now and that's about it.
...

Finally, if he was suffering more than the normal stresses of a fairly abnormal career choice, one of the battery of medics and lawyers from TSol would have found a reason to extend his holiday.

No sick Cabinet member is allowed to show that sort of weakness in public (we didn't see Blair for days after one of his "sore tummies"). Ergo this is a standard attack from Conservative side, building up pre-election rumour base.

[Not something that would surprise your humble Devil.]

I may not be going to vote for the man at the next election, but Brown definitely has a full set of marbles, and for some reason I do quite like him.

As a little aside, you might like to know I ate lunch with him once in the Treasury refectory. Probably half of us did at one time or another—he came (and chose his own food) for breakfast and, sometimes, for lunch.

He'd pick a random table and eat quietly, engaging in conversation with people only if they started it (I think he may have had a rule that no one could petition him if they came across him).

But unlike other ministers I've worked with, he never held himself aloof; and he never came down amongst hoi polloi as some sort of "involvement" stunt—he just liked people.

Now, as you'll know, your humble Devil is no fan of Gordon Brown. I think that he is an incompetent fuckwit who has utterly buggered up our economy and is continuing to do so.

I was also, I admit, expecting to hear similar horror stories to those that have come out so far. The reason that I asked permission to publish was because the reply took me entirely by surprise.

My friend is certainly not a Labour supporter and does, in fact, lean far more towards the libertarian side. So, quite apart from the fact that they are an old friend (and a no-nonsense one at that), I am definitely inclined to take my contact at their word.

(UPDATE: that's not to say that he definitely isn't barking, or a total bastard. Just that he may not be an utter fuckweasel all of the time and may, in fact, possess some measure of charm.)

Mind you, I still think that the cunt should call an election...

UPDATE 2: alternatively, there's this comment from Bishop Brennan.
Sorry DK, but your chum is talking bollocks.

I worked at the Treasury under Brown, and he is the biggest cunt I have ever come across - I've worked with a few Ministers, and he is even worse than Margaret Hodge and Harperson!

His temper is legendary, he shouts at the 'little people', he has no idea how to communicate with normal people. Although he did once throw a chair at Shriti Vadera, so he can't be all bad! :-)

Why do you think he ended up with that famous orange blob on his forehead - because he grabbed the make-up off the woman doing it, told her off and tried to do it himself. It says everything about the man.

Add to that his unwillingness to listen to different views (and the fact that anyone who doesn't tell him what he wants to hear is persona non grata - hence the Treasury fuck ups on everything from public spending to banking to PFI, etc.), that every move is (mis)calculated to get the Tories rather than to serve the best interests even of his core voters, and you have a complete and utter useless gobshite. And he's inflicted Ed Bollocks on our already-failing education system!

So I have no sympathy for the fucker's mental illness (which is almost certainly true - he is certainly mad in any case) - and nor should anyone until he grovels before the country, admits what a fuckwit he's been and resigns.

To be honest, I suspect that there are elements of both in the man—but I thought that I'd relay the first because you never hear such an opinion. However, it seems to me that if serious questions are being asked about his sanity, Brown is finished.

42 comments:

Mike Rouse said...

and it's these kinds of posts why i love your blog

jimmers said...

what a load of cock. your usual critical faculties desert you just cos a mate told you Gordy is ok after all!! Fuck off.

Anonymous said...

Posts like this are the reason your blog is the only true Libertarian blog I bother to read anymore. Not to mention the fact that OH seems to have lost his marbles as badly as he accuses Brown.

At least your blog is well thought out, reasonable and not full of what are sounding increasingly like the ramblings of some psychotic teenager. No offense meant to Guthrum, Leg-Iron and the others who post on OH, but Holborn himself seems to be slightly unbalanced. Maybe he always was and it's only been the last few months that I have started to notice. But the guy is a total fucking calamity.

Stravagantisimo said...

Your friend is wrong about MAOI. It is no more and no less likely to have bad side effects than any other anti-depressant. And you are supposed to avoid hard cheese and red wine when you are taking it. What's more, how a PM who treats the generally obsequious, often incompetent and occasionally treacherous civil service flunkeys around him may simply be a measure of his sensitivity to smell.

SaltedSlug said...

Wow.

I don't know if I'd prefer it if he was an arsehole doing a bad job, or a nice bloke doing a bad job. I guess it doesn't matter in the final analysis.

I still need to go for a sit-down though.

Jeffy said...

Genuinely lovely? Oh my fucking sides...Do me a FUCKING FAVOUR.

The man is an evil cunt.

Lovely of him to starve other departments of funds, wasn't it - particularly Defence and Home Office - when he was chancellor, to satisfy his own petty political ambitions. Devil take the hindmost and fuck the millions of people his sad, cuntish games affected. Lovely.

The devil takes many forms - sadly never a P45 in this case.

Not to mention intimidation as a day-in, day-out MO for decades as a substitute for acting like a human-fucking-being.

Arsewipe.

Tcheuchter said...

Aye, and there are no midges on Rannoch Moor.

Claíomh na Saoirse said...

What an awfully nice post. With particular weight when one considers it's from someone who normally opposes the Braunrégime.

I can't remember which blog it was from - it may have been from you (it might have been from mine, but it's a Friday night and I've been in the pub!) - but it drew parallels with Mr Brown and the Wizard of Oz. A good man, but a bad wizard.

My personal opinion is that Mr Brown can be a depressive, a manic depressive, a schizophrenic or a psychopath (and I believe that medically, the latter is reasonably likely) as long as it is controlled and doesn't affect his ability to do the job.

I object to people explaining away Mr Brown's alleged medical problems by referring to Churchill's. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.

I feel that Mr Brown is simply Mr Major in a red rosette. When one takes over from an incredibly popular leader who has irrevocably changed the country, one cannot but look inferior. Of course, the difference is that Mr Major was elected by someone. Nobody outside the third world hellhole of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath has elected Mr Brown to so much as a parish council.

Mr Brown can have whatever controllable illness as he wants. The health thing is a red herring - it's no surprise to me it comes direct from Downing Street.

What is the utter scandal is that this country has a Prime Minister who nobody ever elected; whom, when put to the polls last, was supported by less than one in ten voters; and who rules - not governs - largely by unelected commissars.

Brown must go - he's not up to the job - but at the same time the Constitution must surely be reformed so that none can ever rule as or in the same way as he has and does.

Tomrat said...

My pastor tells a story that during the trials of high-up nazi officers a survivor of one of their many death camps one such monster was brought to trial where a survivor of the camps came in to give testimony to this mans direct involvement in some of the worst attrocities of that war.

When asked to comment on the officer afterwards the man simply said "I gazed into his eyes expecting to see a monster...but all I saw was a man" (or something like that).

We can be so focused on villyfying men in power because it is easier to accept they have a hidden agenda/are part of a global conspiracy/are aliens/lizard people when the truly scary fact is that they are really just Homer Simpson with an idea for how to adjust the knobs at the power plant without really knowing what they are for.

And that is why libertarianism is so important now; the power plant has invented jobs for itself to do which aren't entirely necessary and which are taking Homer Simpson's eyes off the prize: providing light to the townsfolk, and we are in meltdown as a result.

This is not the result of monsters with a plan by idiots without one; who perceive democracy as a tool for them running rough shod over mans freedoms; it is time not to replace this particular set of deluded souls with another but correct this thought outright- that if you are elected for anything it is to secure a base of laws on which we all stand equal and not to homogenise the wealth of human experience, as bad as this can be sometimes, with loss for all.

Brown is not an evil man; he is just a man with too many knobs.

Bishop Brennan said...

Sorry DK, but your chum is talking bollocks.

I worked at the Treasury under Brown, and he is the biggest cunt I have ever come across - I've worked with a few Ministers, and he is even worse than Margaret Hodge and Harperson!

His temper is legendary, he shouts at the 'little people', he has no idea how to communicate with normal people. Although he did once throw a chair at Shriti Vadera, so he can't be all bad! :-)

Why do you think he ended up with that famous orange blob on his forehead - because he grabbed the make-up off the woman doing it, told her off and tried to do it himself. It says everything about the man.

Add to that his unwillingness to listen to different views (and the fact that anyone who doesn't tell him what he wants to hear is persona non grata - hence the Treasury fuck ups on everything from public spending to banking to PFI, etc.), that every move is (mis)calculated to get the Tories rather than to serve the best interests even of his core voters, and you have a complete and utter useless gobshite. And he's inflicted Ed Bollocks on our already-failing education system!

So I have no sympathy for the fucker's mental illness (which is almost certainly true - he is certainly mad in any case) - and nor should anyone until he grovels before the country, admits what a fuckwit he's been and resigns.

Claíomh na Saoirse said...

Your Grace,

Would it be churlish and cynical to suggest that if Mr Brown did indeed throw a piece of furniture at Mrs Vadera, that this would be an excellent explanation as to why this talentless, thick bitch is now sitting on a red leather bench with ermine draped around her unattractive body?

Anonymous said...

With all respect to you and your friend, this post could be parsed as: "My friend works for the Cabinet Office. I, a well-known anti-Labour blogger, asked him for information about the Prime Minister's mental health. My friend gave me a sugar-coated version of events, completely at odds with everything that has ever been said at Brown going all the way back to his days at Edinburgh Uni. My friend's identity is probably easily discernable to anyone who wants to find it. I believe his account unreservedly. I certainly don't think my friend was being politic, polite, circumspect or simply lying in order to retain his job.

Really, I'd take the anonymous sources telling us Brown is mental before I'd take the account of man who works at the heart of a paranoid police state and whose career would be ended - and life effectively ruined - if he confirmed the rumours.

Mr Ecks said...

As to the truth--who cares.

He is a wicked man even were he not so bad as a person.Nice or nasty he still deserves to be punched in the face several times before being booted off the scaffold to strangle slow--along with the rest of ZaNuLab and every son of a bitch who loves the state with them.

Your "friend" is full of it, if you don't mind me a saying so.

Anonymous said...

I met John Major back in 95. I expected him to be a grey-faced loser like his Spitting Image puppet, but he was quite friendly and was cracking jokes. He certainly didn't come across as a "cunt" to me.

I met John Smith too shortly before his death. He was surprisingly nice, even though he was Labour.

Anonymous said...

Not that I agree with his policies, and I certainly will not be voting for him, but I cannot help but have respect, if not admiration, for anyone who has can exist in his environment whilst, for all intents and purposes, being blind.

If I spent my life either reading font size 50 or walking into things, I suspect I would be a grumpy bastard also.

Anonymous said...

Well... if it's out there - check out Gordo's 2008 Christmas Message to the people.... as heard on R4 - once ?? I think...

The sound of a man reading single words in a similar fashion to a learning reader but slower, it seemed - with a faltering monotone so dull it was remarkable even for the dodgy public speaker that he is. The kicker was the two second pause at the right hand side of the page - eye(s) down and left....

I /have/ heard that before - particularly the otherworldliness of the diction. A bipolar friend, heavily medicated - wheels turning but little motion.

TheFatBigot said...

I have never met Gordon Brown. If I did I might or might not like him personally, I really haven't a clue.

I've met plenty of people who have been jolly nice to me but have been nasty to others and vice versa. I've met brilliantly able people who have been shitty and hopelessly incompetent ones who have been charm personified.

Brown stands or falls on his record, everything else is mere entertainment.

He has lied to the public since his first days in office as Chancellor. He deliberately engineered a credit boom to give him tax income for: (i) social engineering projects that have exacerbated the welfare trap, (ii) job creation schemes in the public sector that bleed the productive economy dry and (iii) a surveillance state more intrusive that the Stasi.

He cannot engage in civilised debate with opponents and has presided over an unprecedented diminution in the power of Parliament to scrutinise the executive - greater even than under the slimy fraud he replaced.

At the end of approaching 13 years in which he has had almost sole control of the country's economic levers, his party of low unemployment presides over 6 million of working age in the "economically inactive" column, government debt at unfathomable levels and business crippled by red tape and tax.

The man has got every major decision wrong in more than a decade at the top table. He is incompetent, dishonest and totally unfit for office.

OK, so he was nice to your chum. So what?

Call me Infidel said...

Interesting post. I honestly don't know whether either account of Brown is an accurate representation. All I do know is he and the rest of the ghastly Layber Pahtee has fucked Britain over for the past decade and the sooner his is gone the better.

Anonymous said...

That's one of the last words to come to mind about John Major

JuliaM said...

"Brown stands or falls on his record, everything else is mere entertainment. "

Very true.

"I honestly don't know whether either account of Brown is an accurate representation."

They may both be accurate. We all present different faces to different people.

Anonymous said...

Good post.

Utter bollocks though.

Brown is a small minded vindictive bully.

His depression is simply a form of self loathing.

My friend ex Treasury wouldn't spit on him.

Anna Raccoon said...

Excellent post DK.
I was the person who decided to answer John Ward's call for more publicity for his 'anonymous' acount of Brown's condition - and I am glad to see a balancing, equally 'anonymous' rebuttal going up.
I think the point is that we should be debating the information, the mental health of the man in charge of 60 million people to say nothing of being in sole charge of our ability to go to war, is pertinent, and it is equally important that we debate both 'visions' of Brown.
I wish I could make up my mind which version is more palusible, as Julia M says, we all present different faces to different people.
What concerns me most, is that if John Ward's is the more accurate version, the labour party itself has no mechanism to remove the man before the next election - and that is fundementally wrong.(see Hopi Sen's excellent post on this subject)
Bad enough that the elctorate can't do it, but if those who work alongside someone, not necessarily Brown with the current allegations, cannot act when they believe the person is out of control, then we all have a problem.

Anonymous said...

john major was and is a nice guy

this is just party politial rewriting of the truth

brown is mad and incompetant, he has allowed tens and tens of thousands of 3rd world workers into the country on inter company transfer visas totally bypassing the work visa system and thrown similar numbers of his own citizens out of work, and then he comes up with racist outbursts like "British jobs for British people"

we need to get rid of him now, depressed he sure should be

Charles said...

I'm guessing that anyone still in No10 now who remembers Major has become ingrained with the view you expressed, otherwise they wouldn't have survived.

My father spent some time him once (my aunt worked in No. 10 and Dad was dropping off her Christmas presents - really!). JM happened to drop by and chatted to him for 5-10 minutes. My father - despite being a Tory was never a fan of Major - came away utterly charmed.

Roger Thornhill said...

The world is littered with people who are beastly to their reports and charming to "non combatants" and those that might be of use to them but whom they have no power over (yet).

Does that not indicate a sociopath?

Brown gravy said...

Brown, he be a politician. Therefore he will do whatever he thinks necessary and show whichever side suits the moment.

I have no doubt he is kind to small children and roses. I have no doubt he can, if needed, wield all the brute strength of ignorance when he thinks it gainful.

But in the end most of us will never meet him, never be amused or abused by him. All we have is a youtube snippet of a wild grin...

In which case, we all have to look at what his control and power has achieved, exactly where he has proved his 'madness' if you like.

Under his stewardship so many things in this country have changed for the worst, and with no prospect of anyone being able to rescue our future. Brown's incompetence and idiocy will leave deep wounds for a long time to come, but I agree maybe he did smile nicely as he twisted the knife.

Blue Eyes said...

I know there is a difference between people's persona at work and socially, but my parents knew John Major many years ago and they said that he was one of the most pleasant and humane people they had ever met.

Gareth said...

From the first source: "As a little aside, you might like to know I ate lunch with him once in the Treasury refectory. Probably half of us did at one time or another—he came (and chose his own food) for breakfast and, sometimes, for lunch."

Ask them if he ever paid for his lunches. The BBC followed him around the Treasury once and he got an underling to pay for his food as he claimed he didn't carry cash about his person.

Lola said...

The conflicting opinions of Brown's personality / state of health, although interesting, are entirely irrelevant. Whatever the truth it cannot mask the fact that he is just useless. The most useless chancellor ever and the most useless PM I can remember.

Old Holborn said...

You can tell I've never met Gordon Brown because the cunt is still breathing.

Wossat? said...

Brown is the cunt who ennobled Mandelbum and Glenys fucking Kinnock.

Lovely guy? My left arse cheek has more charisma!

Bill Sticker said...

Is Brown seriously bipolar? Hmm......

Elby the Beserk said...

Anyone who comes up with (re MacBride)

"I take full responsibility for this, and have sacked the person responsible" is utterly nuts.

I care not whether he is depressed or not. What I do know is that he is not right in the head, and therefore has to go.

Nick said...

See what happens when you give fuckers like Brown MOAIs, the can turn into nicer people.

What more evidence do you need that his is on drugs?

It's complete change of personality

Nick

talwin said...

Am I the only person to have read, and believed, Tom Bower's biog, 'Gordon Brown'. Brown has been a complete twat since he was out of short trousers.

Man in a Shed said...

But Brown's unusually longer summer holiday was extended ....

Whats needed here is the same that the US has where the health of their leader the President is public information.

Scunnered, O'Aberdein said...

Ever seen those nice movies taken at the Berghof? Aren't the children enchanted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9GymQr5_ZI

I should imagine that he probably had a clean eCRB too.

Vlad the Inhaler said...

If Gorgon's so "good", & the country's so fucked (by him), why doesn't he resign.

Thatsnews said...

I knew someone who is a complete arsehole.

Yet someone described him in such loving, warm terms that I was staggered.

The ability to turn charm on and off at will is scary.

Anonymous said...

Honestly guys n gals - if anybody's got the audio from Brown's 2008 Christmas Radio 4 "message" - post it ! There will be no further debate - when I heard it my instant reaction was how the fuck did they let that out ?

It was as I recall tacked on the end of the midday news. Gone by PM...

I fully expected a further announcement about the Priory or some such - he was categorically away with the faeries, medicated off his trolley. The effort of reading, making a noise, opening his mouth and working his tongue was distressingly obvious. It was embarrassing to listen to (OK - so's a lot of the shite he comes out with - but this was special).

allan said...

"Nobody outside the third world hellhole of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath has elected Mr Brown to so much as a parish council."

I object to that. I was born in Cowdenbeath and it's a FOURTH world hellhole.

jonathan said...

Interesting profile of another Leader with 2 sides to them:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/adjutants/SerenyTraudlJunge.html