Wednesday, September 09, 2009

That's just the way it is...

EU-enthusiast Jon Worth had a unpleasant experience with security at the European Parliament—essentially, the incident involved the usual bureaucratic nightmare with different departments not talking to one another, operating different rules and petty jobsworths being arrogant pricks—just like bureaucrats the world over in fact.
Seriously, what the hell is this? There are security rules, fine. But how can two security people working 20m from each other not apply the same rules?

Who knows, Jon?

But remember that the EU is attempting to regulate enormous swathes of the economic and social lives of over 450 million citizens in twenty-seven countries—but it cannot, apparently, co-ordinate between two related departments within the same building!
How can any sensible and pragmatic solution to the issue ... be met with a flat no?

Because that is the way that bureaucrats work. We know that the EU is needlessly bureaucratic—both in the Regulations and Directives that it insists on at a national level, but also within its own structures.

Look, I know that Jon supports the EU for mainly noble reasons but the trouble is that it just isn't ever going to work in the way that he wants it to. Even were the EU's aims not completely malign, you simply cannot plan an all-encompassing and effective government on this scale.

11 comments:

James Higham said...

There's a good case that if Irish Lisbon 2 is passed, it will just hasten the EU implosion.

Jon Worth said...

Serious question though: I have had similar experiences with petty bureaucrats all over the place. Isn't this sort of thing just inevitable with *any* bureaucracy, not just at the EU level?

RayD said...

I agree with Jon Worth.

The EU *is* a bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is what it does. The action of the security guard is not an oversight or "lessons will be learned" mistake, it is perfectly normal, even intended, behaviour.

The representative of the system, the guard in this case, can arbitrarily deny you entry, and your rights are?

Maturecheese said...

Jon Worth is correct. I have had some pretty awful and petty experiences here with various sections of our own Governments bureaucratic monster. What also happens is various parts of this monster play 'politics' with other parts of this monster to the detriment of the end user, us.

Shug Niggurath said...

Serious question though: I have had similar experiences with petty bureaucrats all over the place. Isn't this sort of thing just inevitable with *any* bureaucracy, not just at the EU level?

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Then why are you moaning about it then? Ahhh, it's because it happened to YOU I reckon. So you don't really care whether or not it's an infringement of the rights of the citizen, because that's what you get with any bureaucracy - is that OK then? If it is, stop moaning, and if it's not have a think about WHY you are moaning.

And then stop moaning.

Mac the Knife said...

"How can any sensible and pragmatic solution to the issue ... be met with a flat no?"

I hesitate to ask obvious questions generally, but in this instance I simply can't resist.

Seriously, where the fuck has this berk been for the last twenty-five years?

cornyborny said...

This is, in microcosm, why the argument for Big Government is so much bulldust. Bureaucracy is wasteful, oppressive and counterproductive by its very nature: keeping it to a bare minimum means keeping its negative effects to a minimum. Why on earth would anyone want lots of the bloody stuff?

Oh. Because such people live in a cosseted dreamworld where they and their lefty friends can drone on about the merits of Big Government while seldom, if ever, experiencing the reality of it.

ukipwebmaster said...

Nigel goes on the attack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPbJUB5UM8

Anonymous said...

Where does this Worth person think guards for concentration camps were found? Or any kind of murderers who did the killing for monsters such as mao or stalin?

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the EUSSR ,DICK !
How naive.
They naivety of this bloke's a laugh.
ha ha ha ha ha ha .
What a pratt.
Anonymous ,well the way it is going now too bloody right.
I mean I do not want to ,"summoned to Moscow ,read ,Brusselles)
What a twat.

Safe and secure said...

Mr Worth says that the European Parliament is there to serve him.

He is of course wrong: he (and the rest of us) are here to serve the European Parliament.

But maybe the man begins to understand it a little more now.