Sunday, August 16, 2009

They do that there though don't they though?

(DK is away)

As has been widely reported, the jokers at Liverpool City Council are proposing to ban under-18s from watching films that depict people smoking, in case it warps their fragile little minds.

The logic underpinning this proposal is that if it is illegal to do something, it should be illegal to see it. The implications of such thinking scarcely need underlining. If you really can't see a massive slippery slope here, then you should know that the 'evidence' required to extend this policy to drinking is already waiting in the wings:

Rutger Engels, professor in developmental psychopathology at the Behavioural Science Institute, Radboud University Nijmegen (The Netherlands), said: "This is the first experimental study to show a direct effect of exposure to alcohol portrayals on TV on viewers' immediate drinking behaviour."

"If other research confirms the findings of this study, then there will be implications for policy..."

"Implications of these findings may be that, if moderation of alcohol consumption in certain groups is strived for, it may be sensible to cut down on the portrayal of alcohol in programmes aimed at these groups and the commercials shown in between."

Leg-iron has done a fine job of examining the book-burning mentality of the Righteous in the once proud city of Liverpool. I will only add that the City Council has put its public consultation online. Why not pop over there and tell them to get a grip?

On an only slightly different topic, if you want to see what a pub will look like when the puritans are in total control, check this out.


Anonymous said...

I presume that all TV entertainment which contains drinking/violence/antisocial behaviou is probably in the next raft of L'pool's crazy scheme because as everyone knows this sort of broadcasting is the cause of all our social problems, the BBC has a lot to answer for in that case.


BenS said...

That is absolutely brilliant.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Dick Puddlecote said...

The Oldham link is very apposite as both councils are unilaterally circumventing national guidelines/legislation.

Oldham have found a way of introducing a 'minimum price' policy for alcohol when even this bansturbatory government have decided it's not feasible and will contravene EU rules.

Liverpool have decided they don't like the BBFC way of doing things (paid for by our taxes) so have used further taxpayer funds to create their own local version.

If this is the way of the future, then get rid of Westminster. If not, tell these local pricks to keep their interfering noses out.

Split-level puritanism. How much donkey cock is that?

Anonymous said...

David Hockney wrote an engaging related note which is in the Telegraph.

harleyrider1978 said...

Prohibition and wackos that push it need to be reined in and imprisoned........this is absolutly rediculous........I say let em all smoke,after all with all the blackmarket ciggys now being sold on the street corners even the kiddos can smoke and buy it cheap with spare change........I so hate anti-tobacco nazis

archduke said...

you folks might have missed this but over in Dublin airport there's a roaring trade in nicking stuff from passengers bags - by the baggage handlers.

Why? Have a guess - the price of cigarettes. Nicking 200 boxes from cheaper climes and selling them on.

And if they yer nicking ciggies , why not grab the digital camera, or the ipod.

Anonymous said...

"We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever."

"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

Anonymous said...

1984 and stalin salute big brother...........lets destroy big brother and bring back freedom and individual liberty again........prohibition sux

Leg-iron said...

That pub looks like somewhere to avoid. Any pub with a permanent police presence is somewhere to avoid.

As for the rules... queue and buy two drinks? So if you're in a group of three, two of you have to be in the queue. In a group of six, three are in the queue.

The idea of buying a round is gone. Another tradition extinguished. As for conversation, forget it. Half of your group, at least, are in the queue.

I think I'd go in, take a look at the queue, and go somewhere else.

Smoking banned in pubs. Drinking restricted in pubs. Conversations obliterated in pubs.

What are pubs for, now?

I often drink with some mates at one of our houses. The group is growing because we can't be bothered with going outside to smoke - especially in winter - and we've found we can buy a bottle of good whisky each for less than we usually spend in the pub.

We still go to the pub sometimes, less often than before, but it looks to me like the Speakeasies are on the rise again.

One of them is in my living room.

Anonymous said...

"Liverpool have decided they don't like the BBFC way of doing things (paid for by our taxes) so have used further taxpayer funds to create their own local version."

Councils and police, not the BBFC, have always been the final arbiter of what movies could be shown in local cinemas, so this is nothing new.

Camden, for example, has allowed a number of movies to be shown even though the BBFC denied them a certificate; this is why I was able to watch 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' in a London cinema when it was theoretically 'banned' in the UK.

While this policy in Liverpool is obviously utterly retarded, I would strongly suggest not trying to impose BBFC censorship on councils, because some have a more libertarian view of what movies the people should or shouldn't be allowed to see.

In fact, libertarians should be supporting devolution of powers to local government, not opposing it; who cares if some councils are run by retards, if others are run by libertarians?

Winston said...

"a direct effect of exposure to alcohol portrayals on TV on viewers' immediate drinking behaviour"

The Withnail & I drinking game would blow his fragile little mind.

Elli said...

brilliant post...

FlipC said...

A little behind the times aren't we? This was first publicised in the middle of June. I even did a little skit on it.

Heh captcha "rante" how appropriate.

Wossat? said...

I wonder how they are going to prevent the little darlings from seeing people smoking their fags in the street? Or at home?

Can anyone else smell the fascist reek of thin end of the fucking wedge?

I have an ideal solution to this problem. It's cheap, tested and works every time. No massive initial outlay required, just some piano wire and a convenient lamp post.

The method'll work just as efficiently on the jackbooted arsewipes who want to kill the humble ham sarnie too...

Dick Puddlecote said...

Leg Iron: I think I'd go in, take a look at the queue, and go somewhere else.

That's exactly the threat they are directing at pubs who they deem are selling alcohol too cheaply. That their customers will leave in droves.

Of course, if they raise their prices to a set minimum level, this nightmare won't apply.

They have no way of imposing a minimum alcohol price and there is no law (yet) to enforce one from government. So Oldham have created this wheeze which does the same thing.

I think we used to call such schemes 'protection rackets'.

thefrollickingmole said...

Well I should be a mass murdering psychopath then.

I was raised with rifles and often went shooting, cats, goats,roos,foxes and rabbits. Ive slaughtered thousands of sheep for eating (quick cut to the throat, then snap the neck).

One of my earliest childhood memories is of playing with freshly slaughtered sheep intestines with my sister (we were about 4-5 years old, you poke them and they move!!)

My father used to beat up my mum for a couple of years. (a not so happy childhood memory), and everyone we knew smoked/drank.

I expect you will see me in the papers soon as having passed Ted Bundy or something?
Millions of kids in country areas have had similar upbringings. Why arent we mssively overrepresented in crime figures?

After all if seeing stuff "causes" behaviour?