Sunday, April 26, 2009

Palestinian problem solved

“The image of Hamas is that of an extreme Islamic fundamentalist organisation, but I have to say that during our talk, Mr Mashaal spoke exclusively about the Palestinians’ wish to have a state of their own.

“One of the big stumbling blocks in negotiating with Hamas is its insistence that the state of Israel be destroyed, but Mr Mashaal spoke about having a 25-year truce with Israel if a land for peace deal could be reached. It seemed to me that he was adopting a pragmatic position.

“The fact is that before there can be a lasting peace deal, there will have to be a dialogue with the representatives of the Palestinian people. Whether we like it or not, that includes Hamas. I really think it is in the interests of Israel, as well as the Palestinians, for talks to take place. While there is a lot of pessimism around, the arrival of President Obama has created a new chance for progress that should be seized.”

Who am I quoting here?

None other than renowned polymath, part-time policeman, multiculturalist, film critic and now expert on Middle Eastern politics, Welsh Tory David Davies MP.

Where shall we send him next?

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's not unreasonable to point out that the only way a lasting peace can be achieved is if Hamas and Israel talk.

It's not unreasonable to point out that so long as Israel won't talk to Hamas and Hamas won't talk to Israel, the only possible outcome is yet more bloodshed - after a previous six decades of bloodshed.

It's not unreasonable because it's pretty much stating the fucking obvious. Now, I grant that a whole lot of people would love to see this war continue - there are a whole lot of people in the west and particularly, I am sad to say, on the political right who get great big sociopathic erections at the thought of Israelis and Palestinians killing each other. If, however, you are mentally stable and, for example, not sexually aroused by the sight of Palestinian hovels being blown up by Israeli rockets or Israeli soldiers getting their heads blown off by Hezbollah snipers, you will tend to think that this war is a Bad Thing and that anything that can move it towards a peaceful outcome for both sides is a Good Thing.

There again, I guess I'm in the minority because I think Arabs are human beings and that our fine talk about liberty and rights applies to them too and not just to white people and Jews. Maybe I should be the special type of libertarian who wanks over pictures of dead untermenschen Palestinian children and who can't quite get his head around the concept that people with dark skin and funny-sounding languages are human too.

loves2spooj said...

"Where shall we send him next?"

The same place we should send all politicans... on a one way trip to the centre of the fucking sun

Anonymous said...

All perfectly reasonable, assuming you ignore the history of Hamas and its fellow travellers saving one thing to gullible westerners and another to their own people.

Any government which produces (with our money) material like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4 for its children, a combination of Barney the dinosaur and Der Sturmer is not a legitimate partner for negotiation.

And look up 'Hudna' and its interpretation by Islamists before you fall for the 25 year truce. Old Mo' broke his at his convenience, which is why Hamas push for a truce rather than a peace deal.

Mr Davies is a gullible fool.

North Northwester said...

Anonymous
"the political right who get great big sociopathic erections at the thought of Israelis and Palestinians killing each other."

Anonymous - another cowardly liar: bright enough to use the Internet but not bright enough to read the mountains of evidence that Islam's innate anti-Semitism and inbuilt hatred of all followers of other faiths and followers of none, is the only insurmoun table obstacle here.

They, unlike some libertarians, really, really mean what they say, and Islam's world-conquering ambition will never be overcome until Islam itself chucks out the60% of the Koran's statements about infidels that are expressed in terms of conquest adn suppression.

It's not the soppy old post-Enlightenment Church of England that's attacking us all here; it's unreformed Islam, which is fundamentally xenophobic, militarist, misogynist, oppressive, intolerant and rapacious - exactly like its founder.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DA6225E9-5836-4F92-8DB8-E1820BABF131

Our peaceful and law-abiding Muslim neighbours are heroes to be so - and they do it by being heretics.

Get some knowledge first, will you?

Rob Farrington said...

A pragmatic solution would involve striving for a permanent peace, not saying 'I can't promise that we won't start rocket attacks again, once the hudna is over, sorry!'.

Just how do you come to a peaceful agreement with a people who see it as their religious duty to exterminate you, and to only ever make peace on a temporary basis until they've become strong enough to defeat you?

Any ideas on a postcard to the A&E department in Sderot, please.

Anonymous said...

I am extremely disappointed in Mr Davis and his comments. He should know better (I'm a Christian and a member of the Conservative party, by the way).
The only thing that should be happening is that Hamas is wiped off the face of the earth,together with the so-called Palestinians and Iran. Then, perhaps the world will begin to return to some form of civility.
It is outrageous for a british politician to side with one of our enemies against a very true ally.

North Northwester said...

Rob Farrington
Too true.
And simpler than my little rant.
Sderot probably has a largish graveyard too.



Anyone else reading Anonyous 4 at 4/26/2009 think that maybe isn't what he actually claims to be?

Note how he includes in the wiping off the face of the Earth a whole (supposed) nation 'the Palestinians' and a whole country 'Iran?' Note how he asserts he's a Chrsitian and a member of the Conservative Party.
Just a little too precise, maybe, except for a random barm-pot?


"I'm a Christian and a member of the Conservative party, by the way).
The only thing that should be happening is that Hamas is wiped off the face of the earth,together with the so-called Palestinians and Iran. Then, perhaps the world will begin to return to some form of civility.
It is outrageous for a british politician to side with one of our enemies against a very true ally."

Also, that 'one true ally' reference to Israel. I wish that it was, but Britain's done little to merit being allied with a decent country whose very existence the UK has played disappointing or even deadly games with, over the decades.

No: given the over-the-top bellicosity and hyperbole, I'd go for betting that Anonymous 4 is no Christian, no Conservative, and no friend of Israel at all.

Anonymous said...

should ot the libertarians actually be sticking-up for people who's land has been stolen?
i guess libertatian policies for the whiteman is what you mean.
pure racist and islamahobic.
hang your head in chame