Monday, February 16, 2009

A quickie

From politics.co.uk...
The slogan 'British jobs for British workers' has split opinion between those who agree with the phrase, and those who believe it smacks of racism, a politics.co.uk poll has revealed.

Half of those people are fucking idiots: I'll leave you to guess which half...

Incidentally, here is a thought that I had today...

Employers are required not to discriminate on grounds of race; and yet, by being forced to sack my American friend, are her employers and, ultimately, the government not breaking that law?

(Or is race defined purely on the grounds of colour? In which case, should employers not maintain that they do not discriminate on the grounds of genetically-expressed phenotype?)

Are the jobs of foreign, non-EU workers not covered by any discrimination laws? And has anyone actually tested this in court? Because it seems to me that the government's new points-system is entirely based on racism: if you are one of the races of the EU, you get a free ride—if you are not, you are discriminated against.

Surely this is the very definition of racism?

Perhaps Dolly "not a racist" Draper would like to answer this one...?

21 comments:

Budgie said...

It's about time our stupid politicians (sorry: tautology) put this country and its people first.

Anonymous said...

It's got nothing to do with race. It's about citizenship. Citizens of EU countries and live and work in other EU countries.

If you are a Dutch citizen with 4 Indian grandparents you can live and work in other EU countries.

If you are a citizen of India with 4 Dutch grandparents, you cannot.

Anonymous said...

I've never understood the subset of libertarians who believe in open borders.

Suppose you succeed in the UK and you end up with a small island off the coast of Europe filled with 60,000,000 libertarians. How long do you think it will remain a libertarian nation if you open the borders to the other six billion people on the planet?

The only reason to have a nation is so that you can control the borders and ensure that the people who live there are compatible with your culture. Otherwise why bother with a nation in the first place?

Mark Wadsworth said...

Second Anon makes a good point.

It's a numbers thing.

If nearly all the countries in the world were free and civilised, with the occasional bad apple, then it would be fine to have open borders. Unfortunately, about a quarter of countries are [reasonably] free and civilised and three quarters are hell-holes.

If you open the borders (as Nulab have done to a large extent, this is not theory) then the chances are you get a load of chancers and crims from the hell-holes and disproportionately few of the nice hard working people from the other civilised countries.

Robert Arbon said...

100% of these people (the ones in the poll) are idiots. No need to guess which 100%.

Open borders for labour is just free trade and should be encouraged.

Thinking that phrase is racist is just incomprehensible.

Libertarianism is completely compatible with open borders, in fact I'd say it requires it.

Robert Arbon said...

'Encouraged' in a vague and non-governmental way, I should add. I'm not suggesting any policy should be in place to use tax to facilitate immigration. Naturally.

The Penguin said...

I though that (apart from the Millipedes!) we were all of the same (human) race?

The Penguin

TomC said...

"...why bother with a nation in the first place?"

Exactly. The individual is the kingdom and the state is the servant. Anonymous has it the wrong way round.

Roger Thornhill said...

Until all vestiges of the Welfare State and "entitlement" are removed and broadly Libertarian government exists in almost all other countries, then fully open boarders are impractical.

Anonymous said...

What I find curious is DK's attitude towards the limits to growth. Obviously we are in a transition point, oil is running out, topsoil is being depleted, etc. It may be that some innovation comes along to replace oil, possibly permaculture will enable is to maintain crop yields, but it won't happen overnight.
Therefore we are looking at the real possibility of economic collapse, oil shortages and a food crisis this year.
Our priority has to be our own people, not foreigners. Racism is a real phenomenon, based on biology and culture, we like people who look like us, who are from the same tribe, especially at times of crisis, like now. This crisis is going to boost racism, because people are afraid, and they have good reason to be. To ignore this is naive. It might be sad, but we are not going to achieve a world without borders, ever.

Chalcedon said...

According to Mr Draper I'm a racist. Wondeful eh? Just because I pointed out his hysterical comments re a few captions for a pic on Guido's blog were probably not shared by a lot of the non-metropolitan elite in the country. For saying this, I am officially a racist.

Anonymous said...

All other things being equal (my key defence against the racist accusation is that I do literally mean "all"), a country should favour employing its own citizens. To suggest otherwise ignores the fact that our balance of payments is directly affected when we export money by importing labour.

All that being said, the correct solution IMO is that government should stay the fuck out of businesses' hiring practices. If I owned a business and wanted to employ my italian brother in law, then I should be perfectly entitled to. In fact, if I wanted to be a racist bastard and only employ white lads from essex, I should be entitled to as well. It doesn't need legislating, because the market will sort it out. If my non-racist competitor will employ anyone, and they really are better for the job (as our current government tells us), then my cometitor will have a market advantage over me.

I am constantly amazed that supposed libertarians instantly run for the law to solve problems like this. Discrimination is a choice that every individual should be allowed to make. I am highly discriminitive. I fucking hate stupid bastards.

Anonymous said...

Since when has 'American' been a fucking race? they are not, the USA is a ethnic mix of races, this bullshit you're spouting is way beneath your normal well thought out writings.

Libertarian my arse 'I'm right and if you disagree you must be wrong' fuck you too.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Anon,

"Since when has 'American' been a fucking race? they are not, the USA is a ethnic mix of races..."

So is just about every other "race": so racism doesn't exist, correct?

DK

ANL said...

I've never understood the subset of libertarians who believe in open borders.

Suppose you succeed in the UK and you end up with a small island off the coast of Europe filled with 60,000,000 libertarians. How long do you think it will remain a libertarian nation if you open the borders to the other six billion people on the planet


I'm surprised since its a logical extension of the same argument that libertarians employ against the smoking ban and other statist attacks on individual freedom : private property rights. In a libertarian world, all property being private, you have the right to use force in order to defend your property and land from trespassers. It makes little difference whether these unwelcome visitors are your neighbours or immigrants from the third world. If I wish to welcome immigrants onto my property, there is nothing you can do, violently, to stop me.

If the other 6 billion people were not welcome on our island, we would be within our rights to use violent means to prevent them.

The immigration question is an uncomfortable one for "minarchists" because it demonstrates the incoherence of their position.

ANL said...

Until all vestiges of the Welfare State and "entitlement" are removed and broadly Libertarian government exists in almost all other countries, then fully open boarders are impractical.

Attempting to eliminate all crime is impractical, but that doesn't make some crime OK.

ENGLISHMAN said...

Races exist because they confer special advantages to particular genes.If i put petrol in my diesel car i will not be traveling very far,but if i confine it to diesel i have many miles of peacefull motoring,so it is with races,you may think that you are governed by logic and enlightenment but it is the genes that call the shots,and the genes urge to multiply and dominate are the most powerful force on earth,and this genetic impulse translated into sociology is what the disturbed call racism.

ANL said...

"Half of those people are fucking idiots: I'll leave you to guess which half..."

To be fair, its difficult to choose..

Deogolwulf said...

“[Y]ou may think that you are governed by logic and enlightenment but it is the genes that call the shots.”

Was that comment urged by your genes, or was it governed by logic and enlightenment?

Adrian P said...

Common Purpose

The Fraudulent Monetary System that has enslaved us
Liberalism, Subversion, Fabianism and Keynesian Economics
Psychological Repression and Abuse of an entire Nation
Westminster is a Charade, they are leading us to civil war so they can impose a police state

Adrian P said...

Common Purpose

The Fraudulent Monetary System that has enslaved us
Liberalism, Subversion, Fabianism and Keynesian Economics
Psychological Repression and Abuse of an entire Nation
Westminster is a Charade, they are leading us to civil war so they can impose a police state