Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Cantonal not atonal

By popular request, here is a comment left at this post by Old Holborn, author of the eponymous blog.
I propose a Swiss style Cantonal, federal Government for the UK

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because we are not neutral and insist on having wars to keep the taxes flowing.

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because we pour it into the EU to keep Slovakians and Bulgarians in Mercedes and farming subsidies.

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because every politician who ever obtains power instantly spends it on whatever they feel will keep them in power.

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because we encourage the feckless to breed, third world beggars to plunder our housing/benefits stock and politicians are in charge of education

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because the British are criminals by nature and anything that ins't nailed down is nicked, sold off cheap and the proceeds invested in Stella Artois or Skunk

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because we make FUCK all. Our education system doesn't support engineering or manufacturing, it supports morons who can tell you Wayne Rooney's star sign and nothing else.

Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because anyone can become British. Unlike the Swiss where even if you are BORN there, you have no automatic right to Swiss Citizenship and your local community will decide if you have added enough value to the community to become Swiss. No mumbling in Gujurati that you understand what housing benefit is and can you bring all your relatives too please. In the back of a lorry from Kurdistan.

Foreign youth commiting crime in Switzerland is an interesting one. If you cannot control your Kurdish son because he is "out of control", the whole family gets booted back to Shitistan. I LIKE that approach. We cannot even send Africans back to Africa or Terrorists back to Jordon—thanks to the EU.

Swiss jails are not full. Ours are, to overflowing.

The Swiss pay £100 Million a year to get the good bits of the EU. The UK pays £30 BILLION a year to be ruled over by shaved Belgian Baboons.

Rant over. The EU is shit, we've tried it, it is too expensive and I don't like taking orders from people who live abroad and have never voted for.

Bastards.

Now, whether you agree with all of that or not, one cannot deny that it would be a fucking great state of the nation address!

Old Holborn carries the following tagline on his blog.
Free Speech and I don't care who I offend. If you are easily offended then you are a cunt. If you read the Grauniad just fuck off and die. I am not here to make friends, I am here to rant and vent my spleen.

You can't say fairer than that!

++ STEALTH EDIT ++

57 comments:

the doctor said...

Old Holborn , I like your style , there is not one word in that post that I do not agree with . I particularly agree that the average
Brit is thicker than pig shit , that is 95% of the population .

James said...

I'm happier reading the Guardian than the Daily Mail and Express which is all Old Holborn sounds like he's reading.

James said...

You might want to change that last line to a fair few spirited racists in the ranks...

of a party I feel less close to now knowing this is the kind of people I would be sharing my allegiance with.

ade said...

James said...

[some incoherent crap]


If the case wasn't already resting, it certainly is now.

Anonymous said...

The guardian?... now theres a rag if I ever read one...

Ian_QT said...

Having looked through some of the linked blog Old Holborn, I have to say I share James' concern .

Some of it (e.g.) wouldn't appear out of place on Stormfront.

Barnsley Bill said...

Great post sir. But you missed one point:
Britain doesn't have a mountain of cash like Switzerland because the Nazis didn't leave all their victims gold teeth with us. Other than that small ommission I agree completely.

Ellie said...

If someone is born in a country and lives there all their lives, why the fuck should they be denied citizenship in the land they call home? That goes WAY over the top!
In addition, the Swiss recruit foreign workers when times are good, take advantage of their cheap labour and then when the economy has even a little turbulence, they send them packing, make them pull their kids out of school, etc, and do not offer the security of residency or citizenship. Thus they can take advantage of cheap labour at a time of economic plenty and concentrate their wealth and when times get rough, exploit the workers that made it possible, and send them packing. Lovely bunch of people.
Perhaps we should be like Australia and have those neat little detention centres for people who dare to try and make a new life someone else.

Ellie said...

Incidentally women were only granted the right to vote in cantonal elections in the 1990s in Switzerland. Land of freedom and justice for all.

Old Holborn - bitter and twisted said...

ah, some healthy debate!

Those who would assume that because I have a healthy disregard for Balkanese people, along with feral youth of any creed, I must be a fully paid up member of Stormfront, you could not be more wrong.

"My advice to Muslim people is that they should watch the Disney Channel a lot more and not stone women, behead people, cut off the limbs of people and beat their wives up. Especially not in Luton. Dressed as an Ikea lampshade."

Racist? Or realist

Barnsley Bill said...

Well Switzerland will probably end up down the shitter as well then. haven't you got some scones to bake?

James said...

In addition, the Swiss recruit foreign workers when times are good, take advantage of their cheap labour and then when the economy has even a little turbulence, they send them packing, make them pull their kids out of school, etc, and do not offer the security of residency or citizenship.

If the foreign worker understand that and still wants the job, what's the problem?

Nobody forces them to come and work there. If they don't like that they can't get their feet under the table, they don't have to take the job in the first bloody place.

Barnsley Bill said...

As for your australian comment. You could not be more wrong. it is a fantastic place, the detention camps are for those that are trying to enter illegally. Radical thought I know. I mean in a civilised country they toss indigenous familys out on the street to house the illegals. That is a much better system!
OH. Luton. A wonderfull place. The last time I visited this gdansk like place was the last day of a long jury trial I served on in the late 80's. Upon declaring the accused guilty the jury box was mobbed by his family and we were all rushed to the cells.. Yes the cells. The only place the 12 trusty citizens could be held in safety. Once the dust had settled and his simian family had been talked down and sent on their way we were all instructed to hand over our car keys and transported by police van to the edge of town to collect them. Upon which some chinless fuck with silver braid on his Italian opera uniform advised us to steer clear of the Arndale centre and indeed the whole of Luton for A FEW YEARS. Okay with me I thought but what about the 8 who actually lived in Luton?
Anyway, I took his advise to heart and fucked off to NZ within months.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Old Holborn isn't a racist cunt, he's just a cunt. He is an equal opportunity hater of everyone. I suspect he probably hates himself as well, just to be on the safe side.

Swiss Tony said...

As a foreigner in Switzerland I wouldn't mind a passport after 17 years here but it's their country and they are allowed to vote, regularly on whatever they like, they also told the EU to fuck off.

If they vote not to give passports away like fucking free gifts in cereal packets to mental, backward cunts from the third world one can hardly blame them.

alberich said...

As the Harry Enfield character, Tim Nice But Dim used to say, "What a bloody decent bloke!"

Switzerland might also have a mountain of cash because politicians are given minimal publicity, are kicked out on a rotational basis and jobs in quangos do not multiply to fill space.

haddock said...

not going to use your 'Mornington Crescent' defence on this one DK?. Or are you not losing a debate on this thread ?
readers should have a look at his 'let kids get pissed, it's Libertarian' bollocks a few posts back.

DK, you all piss and wind, scream 'racist and homophobe' one day, promote it the next. Like Old Holborn says, I don't care who I offend.... you are turning into a fucking politician, that insult should offend anyone.

Devil's Kitchen said...

"readers should have a look at his 'let kids get pissed, it's Libertarian' bollocks a few posts back."

I never said that, you nitwit.

18 year olds are not kids: they are old enough to vote, get a job, get married, go into the Army, etc. They are not kids.

A lot of that applies to 16 year olds too: one could argue that they are not kids either.

You're an idiot: that is the most offensive I can be.

DK

Ian_QT said...

"readers should have a look at his 'let kids get pissed, it's Libertarian' bollocks a few posts back."

Haddock, you are either really stupid or are doing a good impression of someone who is really stupid.

V said...

I like the Swiss political system - its just a shame they don't like the internal combustion engine - I could quite easily live there.

Mark Wadsworth said...

As I said yesterday "What Old Holborn says".

The Swiss system of self-government and local taxation is the model to be envied and has stood test of time.

And yes, they have the Nazi/Jewish gold, big deal. They have no coastline, no natural resources, they don't even have a common language, they have nothing except all the fresh water and milk you can drink. And the best system of self-government.

Old Holborn - bitter and twisted said...

I find the Swiss to be a bit like Germans but without the humour.

I am currently working on a theory that anyone who lives more than 30 miles from the coast is actually following a different evolutionary tree, one more akin to a sort of lizard/ostrich/gorilla type branch.

The Swiss are currently the fly in that ointment. Mind you, they do have many large lakes but I can't quite formulate the correct equation to include that.

Would I take a Swiss passport tomorrow if one was offered? Yes, I would. I would then wipe my arse with my UK one and send it back to Gordon with love and kisses for him distribute to whatever grateful Somali immigrant he can find (form an orderly queue at the back will you?).

Canton Zug would offer a man of my calibre a tax rate of 17%. What was left over would buy an awful lot of Muesli. And all the major mountain passes are mined to keep the riff raff out. A gated community par excellance, methinks

Political Scientist said...

"No mumbling in Gujurati that you understand what housing benefit is and can you bring all your relatives too please. In the back of a lorry from Kurdistan."

Why would someone with relatives in "Kurdistan" be speaking in Gujarati?

peter carter-fuck said...

The Swiss people are sovereign. They pass the laws they want by referendum. The politicians are there to serve them. And the people are the army, they all own fully automatic assault rifles.

Switzerland is what happens when free people rule themselves. That is why politicians don't like it. Can you name the President of Switzerland? Of course not, he (or maybe she, who knows?) doesn't matter. Politicians are vampires who suck the life out of a country, the Swiss have had the sense to keep them in thie place.

The EU, needless to say, is the very antithesis of Switzerland. In the EU, the politicians rule, and the voice of the people counts for nothing. If you think politicians matter, the EU is for you. If you think people matter, try Switzerland. It does not work for everyone, but it works for them, and it's their bloody country.

Ellie said...

"As for your australian comment. You could not be more wrong. it is a fantastic place, the detention camps are for those that are trying to enter illegally."

I hope none of you are actually the Neo Nazis you sound like. Far from being all for "liberty", most of you sound like you're for liberty for white Anglo Saxon Protestants. Everyone else can fuck off.

The Australian detention camps have been used to a large extent for refugees. They separate husbands from wives, children from parents, for often up to FIVE YEARS at a stretch, in prison like conditions, and worse. They have been determined to be in breach of the UN's human rights agreements. This is taken from www.safecom.org.au/detention.htm

"Australia has a policy of mandatory detention for all refugees and asylum seekers who arrive by boat on its shores.

This represents a radical departure from any other country that signs the United Nations Conventions - The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR).

Mandatory detention of asylum seekers places Australia at a great risk of becoming a nation which commits human rights abuses of the first order.

Not only places it Australia at a risk of that, it also has already been evidently shown to be so.

This page talks about these issues. It consists of quotes from reports and of speeches by eminent Australians.



Justice Marcus R. Einfeld
"Mandatory sentencing - which I prefer to call compulsory jailing - is a nasty insidious creation of our generation that not even the convict settlement introduced. What is more - compulsory jailing legislation expressly abandons the internationally agreed principle of imprisonment as a sanction of last resort, with priority given to other interests."

"We are now the only developed country in the world which practises indiscriminate indeterminate incommunicado detention of asylum seekers. Alone of all countries in the world, including Canada, the United States and the nations of Europe and Scandinavia, we have indiscriminately detained all of them - the elderly, the children, the sick and the pregnant - at a cost by the way of around $50,000 per person per year...."

I agree with a lot of the views expressed on here about erosion of civil liberties in Britain going on at present. However some of the extreme right views on immigration are worrying. I don't agree with the idea that just because someone else's country is fucked up, and they manage to escape it, that they should be severely punished and traumatised.
And take the Swiss situation: On one hand people get angry about foreigners who are actually willing to work coming over and taking locals' jobs. On the other hand they get angry when said foreigners can't or aren't allowed to work and end up on benefits at the taxpayers expense. Well, which is it??? They either come over, and make a life for themselves and work, or they don't. Treating them like second class slaves isn't the solution.
Neither is locking them up in jails for having the gall to be fleeing from wars and famines. Ho cheeky of them, really? They should have the decency to just stay home, suffer and die because they might just cost some white folks somewhere a pound or two in taxes.
If someone comes over, works, contributes to the economy and pays their taxes, then denying them the right to eventually become a citizen of the country that is now their home is wrong and unjustified. God knows the British made themselves more than comfy in enough places at the expense of the indigenous peoples over the centuries, you'd think they wouldn't begrudge others doing likewise so much. But I suspect that's where this need by the Government to control the British people is coming from. Used to be they could go out, invade somewhere and set about controlling that nation. Now that's somewhat frowned upon these days, so all that controlling energy gets focussed back on their own nation. Gotta control something! The Dutch were pretty handy at the 'oul colonising and taking over everywhere too back in the day-but they have legalised grass and prostitution and perhaps all that being stoned and getting laid has mellowed them a little. Perhaps the UK should follow suit.

haddock said...

DK, in that thread.... in the comments... we were debating not the age of boozing but whether free speech was OK. The gist of your argument seems to be that it is, if that free speech tallies with your thoughts, and that anyone who thinks differently to you is a moron or idiot.
The discussion ended with you posting links to my site with the obvious message 'go and look at his site, he's racist and homophobic' no further debate on the Libertarian/free speech issue was forthcoming.... debate ended, game over.... MORNINGTON CRESCENT! One of the posts I had made, highlighted by DK ,related to sending back to their shithole country parents who had abandoned newborn girls... because they wanted sons and girls are next to 'worthless' in their culture. By his posting of this link DK was using a debating device which is less than honourable given the sentiments of Old Holborn stated here...."the whole family gets booted back to Shitistan."
can you see any difference children, No ? neither can I.

ian_qt now entering the fray, another 'Libertarian' using the 'you must be stupid' defence, I think I can spot an authoritarian streak within this 'Libertarian' party, can you see it children ?.

As for Old Holborn's post I cant really fault it except that it wasn't just the gold teeth in the swiss bank vaults; there was probably a big heap of gold for transit of trains full of jews through their rail network.

Rumbold said...

Old Holborn would fit right in with the EU grandees. Ranting, incoherant, with a complete ignorance of history and customs, and a desire to impose another country's system on us without taking into account how that system was formed in Switzerland.

How long have you been a New Labour candidate Old Holborn?

Anonymous said...

I like the way you refer to people who disagree with your shitty points as children.

You arrogant fuck.

Barnsley Bill said...

A simple mistake to make..
Stop using emotive language like asylum seeker and refugee.
The overwhelming number of people that rock up to australia are chancers trying for a better life. Economic refugees at best. The very treatment they receive is the only thing stopping half of indonesia nicking a set of water wings and descending on darwin like a fucking hundred million man pikey navy.

Old Holborn - bitter and twisted said...

Rumbold, it was merely a proposal.

Naturally, the vested interests of the UK Landowners, aristocracy and unelected power brokers in the Lords must come first, then the Church with its 26 unelected bishops in the Lords, The EU masters in Brussels, Media owning antipodeans, the Muslim Council of Great Britain, the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, Lee Jasper, the British Potato Council and Wool Marketing Board and finally High Chancellor Snotty McArseface would all be allowed to amend it to their needs before it would be offered to "the people" for ratification.

After all, we do live in a democracy

Mark Wadsworth said...

Peter Carter-Fuck makes a good point.

When I was there last, I asked some Swiss people (well educated chaps at that) who their Prime Minister was and half of them admitted they didn't know - because it's not important!

It's about as important as a UK person knowing who the Minister for Drains is.

Snowolf said...

Article 31 - 1951 UN Convention on refugees (emphasis mine):

The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence

Ellie, absolutely it is a radical departure from any other country that signs the United Nations Conventions, and more power to them. The UN '51 convention was a decent product of its time but is now woefully out of date. Tell me how the Afghans who have been smuggled/trafficked to Australia's more remote shorelines have left their landlocked country and arrived directly at Australia? Did they really intend to claim asylum at the earliest opportunity?

Of course we in the UK regularly consider claims from people arriving from France and Belgium at ports on the south coast, even though all EU countries are designated as being safe, and despite the best efforts of UKBA officers searching HGVs, (Clandestine entry does not sit well with presenting without delay), because of the wonderful Dublin Treaty which states that in order to remove someone back to a safe third country, documentary evidence is needed. CCTV footage of individuals leaving vessels and physically linking a clandestine to an HGV, to a ferry, to a port of departure is not evidence enough.

Me? I'd trade places with the Aussies in a heartbeat. Political Asylum is a noble construct being abused by traffickers and gangmasters who peddle in human misery.

Ian_QT said...

"ian_qt now entering the fray, another 'Libertarian' using the 'you must be stupid' defence, I think I can spot an authoritarian streak within this 'Libertarian' party, can you see it children ?."

@Haddock: It's not a defence, it's an observation.

If not, can you explain why you said "readers should have a look at [DK's] 'let kids get pissed, it's Libertarian' bollocks", when DK has made it very clear that he doesn't think that at all.

Anonymous said...

I agree with ian_qt. Anyone who says that you shouldn't stone women or beat your wife or behead infidels is a racist. Also it is clear to anyone with a brain that referring to Pakistan as 'Shitistan' is infinitely worse than detonating explosives on buses and trains in central London.

Like ian_qt, I believe that failing to fellate Islam on a regular basis should carry the death sentence - just like the glorious jihadi warriors of Islam brought the death sentence to the Crusader Infidel Zionist complex on Sept. 11th 2001.

It's good that we have true conservatives like ian_qt to defend our country's interests and stand up for the really important things. And it's reassuring to see that militant medievalist Catholics like ian_qt can find so much in common with their militant medieval Muslim counterparts.

Anonymous said...

Fantastic stuff OH, I agree with every word. Definitely realist.

Antisocialist.

Rumbold said...

Old Holborn:

Who was mentioning vested interests? I was talking about imposing an alien system on a country which has a constitutions hundreds of years old. It sounds like something the EU would do.

And how did the Muslim Council of Britain get into this?

Anonymous:

Could you point me to the paragraph where Ian_qt said any of that? Or does criticising racist langauge mean that you want to introduce a Caliphate into Britain?

Also, Islam is not a medieval religion.

Ian_QT said...

I don't generally bother arguing with anonymous commenters, particularly ones who are clearly a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

pagar said...

I cannot understand why DK put up this post on his blog.

What is libertarian about the anti-immigration views of Holborn and Haddock?

Surely the libertarian view is that immigration is fine where the immigrant comes to improve their life through hard work and enterprise- witness the massive contribution to the wealth of our country made by the Ugandan asians or, more recently, the Eastern Europeans.

If we are deseprate to find people to deport (which I'm not) why not start with the millions on our council estates who refuse to work, in some cases for generations, and who scrounge so expensively from the rest of us.

Maybe DK can put me right and I am missing some vital unspoken aspect of the 'libertarian' agenda but I believe that an individual should be judged by his actions and contribution, not the colour of his skin.

Old Holborn - bitter and twisted said...

Pagar

"Surely the libertarian view is that immigration is fine where the immigrant comes to improve their life through hard work and enterprise- witness the massive contribution to the wealth of our country made by the Ugandan asians or, more recently, the Eastern Europeans."

Firstly, the post concerns Switzerland, where immigrants are welcomed. If however, underage immigrants decide that because they were allowed to run riot in Shitistan, they can do the same in Zurich, they AND their families get booted out. That isn't racist. That is protecting the liberty of Swiss citizens not to be subjected to Shitistan crime levels and forcing the parents of the little darling to take responsibility as parents for his actions. Perfect.

I totally agree that there are millions of uneducated pasty white spotty knife wielding British mouthbreathers that the State supports on the grounds that as long as they vote for them and don't rape MP's wives are perfectly entitled to go about their daily business of sitting on the sofa watching Trisha whilst an army of civil servants look after their every whim.

That isn't right either, but surely THEY should be forced to take their responsibilities seriously for themselves before we import millions who cannot even eat with a knife and fork yet are perfectly capable of circumsizing their 6 year old daughters and demanding to wear tents in schools?

No one minds immigrants who adapt our culture, our values and our laws. Ugandan Asians, Poles, Chinese and South Africans have managed it. Name me two ethnic groups who refuse to and I will show you 30% of the current prison population. How exactly is their refusal to integrate affecting my liberties?

Bring your laptop and Rolex to Stockwell Tube Station at 1.30 am on Sunday morning and you'll find out.

In the words of the great Abu Izzadeen to a British MP in Britain in 2006

"How DARE you come to a Muslim area?"

Do whatever you want, but if your criminality or creed begins to affect my liberty, I will come down on you like a fucking ton of bricks. Unlike HMG

Devil's Kitchen said...

pagar,

As I said, it was by popular request.

As a matter of fact, you can make a libertarian argument for limiting immigration -- and one of the classical liberal thinkers did (Hayek?) -- as long as a Welfare State exists.

Remove the Welfare State and you remove (what I call) an "osmotic pressure" that distorts the labour market.

But yes, generally, I am a fan of free trade of capital, goods and people. However, I also recognise that people can have an effect on a community that a pair of Chinese-made shoes will not (that can be a poisitive effect, by the way. I happen to like the large numbers of Poles around Brixton, for instance, because they take absolutely no crap from anyone).

DK

Chalcedon said...

What a pity we aren't more like the Swiss government which puts Swiss citizens first. They do boot out economically inactive foreigners. What's wrong with that? Pity we don't do it.

You have to post your CV to everyone in your neighbourhood plus the reasons why you should become a citizen. they then vote on it. Local democracy. here we just give passports to any Tom, Dick or Harry that resides here for a set time.

Another thing, all the men are in the army and have an assault rifle and ammo at home. Burglary is not common.

Anonymous said...

They also have some of the best skiing in the world, lucky bastards.

Geezer said...

Sir

I am impressed by the robustness of debate at your esteemed blog.

Also, I too, greatly admire and am envious of the Swiss and hope that one day, we here in Blighty will be able to implement a similar system of government and also simlar legislation.

Anonymous said...

What exactly is the immigration policy of the Libertarian party. I assumed it was open borders which is why I could never vote for them. I've witnessed the damage immigration has done to the area I live in and I want no more of it, thank you very much.

Antisocialist.

Guthrum said...

What exactly is the immigration policy of the Libertarian party. I assumed it was open borders which is why I could never vote for them. I've witnessed the damage immigration has done to the area I live in and I want no more of it, thank you very much.

Go to www.lpuk.org and have a look

Lord James Bigglesworth said...

You can't say fairer than that at all.

Roger Thornhill said...

Good to see OH getting a wider readership.

Anonymous said...

Swiss are hardly hugely richer compared to us, their per capita income is $32k, ours is $30k (PPP adjusted of course).

Ireland's is $40k, now that's richer.

Swiss Tony said...

Please stop mentioning Switzerland, I rarely bring it up when blogging because it is so wonderful and there are already far too many Brits here.

Over the last 15 years it has become a little like the UK in places. Fortunately for me the arrivals from the Balkans are only gang raping people in the Swiss German part, possibly why the Swiss are not too happy with all the immigration they have been having.

Having said that they don't much like the 'loud and arrogant' 250,000 Germans that have arrived recently, though being 'loud and arrogant' (it seems their reputation follows them) is not so bad compared to the Balkan arrivals. Here in Geneva we just have the N. African coke dealers which didn't exist a few years ago, coke is widely available now as are E. European prostitutes, isn't globablisation wonderful?

In closing, please shut the fuck up about Switzerland, although if you want to know how to run a country this is probably the one to study, the Carlsberg among states.

One example, check out car insurance and number plates.

Another, best medical in the world and it costs fuck all. About £200 / month, compare that to your employers and employees NI.

the doctor said...

Having read all of the comments and considered them carefully I still agree with Old Holborn .

Ellie said...

"Me? I'd trade places with the Aussies in a heartbeat. Political Asylum is a noble construct being abused by traffickers and gangmasters who peddle in human misery."
So you would separate families for up to 5 years at a stretch in prisons for fleeing a wartorn country? Well, at least you've confirmed my suspicions. Nice.

Barnsley Bill said...

Ellie, Having spent a good portion of the last 20 years in australia I speak with experience as a foreigner in their country. As I alluded to in an earlier comment. Most of the illegal economic migrants to australia have to pass through a number of countries that are not war torn prior to washing up in OZ. Get off your tub and actually do some research.
Just like the illegals problem in England, most of these mongrels have traveled through countries that simply help them on their way to get rid of them. OZ and UK are just the last stop on the track.
Indonesia at least pretend to not help. Unlike the french who put their refugee camps a few yards from the northern coast and train tunnel.
They are coming into Britain because it is the garden of eden for freeloaders.
OZ make it very hard to get there and very hard to stay there. As I mentioned before any other approach would see them over run with a floating pikey armada within months.

Elby the Beserk said...

I shall leave if Eric Cantona takes over the country. Cantonal government, for God's sake. New Labour stink to high heaven, but as a Manchester City supporter, Cantona can just fuck off.

Snowolf said...

That's just the point Ellie, they've not just flown a war torn country, they've passed through a number of perfectly stable nations in order to get to the perceived El Dorado.

Why should we in the UK, or the Aussies pay through the nose because people seem to think that if it goes tits up in their own land they can pick and choose where they go? Why the hell should I finance it?

The top asylum claiming nationalities in the UK are Iraq (and have been since waaaaay before the war), Iran, Afghanistan (since waaaay before 9/11, and as bad since the Taliban were toppled from power) and Eritrea.

Whilst we may be involved in two of those countries, the asylum problem predates our involvement and the abuse of the asylum system involves transiting through a number of safe, stable countries. I work as a serving immigration officer at the channel ports and have done since '99. The number of families coming to claim (with the exception of the now EU national Czech Roma) is almost nil. In the main these claimants are young single men.

If these families abided by the terms of UN51 they wouldn't have been seperated. The convention is to protect life it is not a fucking supermarket. Sympathy? Limited. People need to take responsibility before they start whinging about rights.

Ellie said...

holy hell. refugees from wartorn countries that WE'RE bombing should "take some responsibility".
Fucking hell. Fucking fucking hell. DK, I like a lot of the ideas on your website, please tell me you don't agree with this grotesque viewpoint?

eEllie said...

"If these families abided by the terms of UN51 they wouldn't have been seperated. The convention is to protect life it is not a fucking supermarket. Sympathy? Limited. People need to take responsibility before they start whinging about rights."
You separate families, children from their parents for up to 5 years after leaving a wartorn country? They don't even give them news of each other or let them know how the other ones are doing, if they're sick, well, anything.

And you justify it because you "might have to finance it?" I doubt those families were Googling the UN51 agreement before they ran, making sure they were going to comply with it as their home was destroyed-"remember kids-the most important thing now is making sure the taxpayers in the peaceful places aren't inconvenienced. Bobby, put down that shrapnel, there's a good lad."
Good GOD are you a fucking MONSTER? How can you bring finance into that? And even if you did-each of those detainees cost approx 50,000 AUD. A plane ticket to repatriate or just deport them costs a lot less than separating them, dragging the children away from their parents, husbands away from their wives and imprisoning them. I'll speak the only language you do understand-money. Keeping people incarcerated is expensive. Sending them elsewhere is not. Even-God forbid-letting them work and contribute to taxes- is less expensive than incarceration. Money isn't the prime motivator for Oz in this instance. They have a long, dark history of white supremacy and hatred of other races. Look what they did to the Aborigines-even in the 50s and 60s when they ripped the kids away from their parents and sent them to live with white people and never let them have any contact with their families again. That cost the taxpayer a pretty penny or two. A lot of anti-immigration is not motivated by money and protecting financial interests, but by hatred and distrust of other races-like what is displayed in some of the above comments-total disregard for anyone who is not white and British.
Ireland has a lot of refugees and immigrants. More Polish just about than anyone else. And they are at the moment richer than you guys-even with the housing market going a bit tits up. A lot of the immigrants work-esp in building or jobs such as waitressing etc, and hence keep the economy rolling. I don't think asylum seekers should rock up and expect a load of benefits forever. I think after a period of recovery time they should be helped to find jobs they can perform and become a useful member of the workforce and pay taxes. This helps the recipient country, and also keeps the unemployed refugees from claiming a rake of benefits or turning to crime. This makes financial sense.

Ellie said...

I can't believe I typed "Eelie" I hate eels....