Wednesday, April 02, 2008

Quote of the Day

Here is UKIP peer, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, speaking during the debate on the Lisbon Treaty in the House of Lords. The entire speech is very much worth reading, if you are interested in the economic costs of our membership of the EU (about 8–10% of GDP or £80–£100 billion per annum), but this little nugget particularly caught my eye. [Emphasis mine.]
Of course, our political establishment, so richly represented in your Lordships' House, will not agree with me. It cannot face up honestly to either of those accusations, just as it dare not admit to how low it has brought this country in every other area of our national life.

What do I mean by "our political establishment"? I mean the Members of the House of Commons and this place, the bureaucracy which supports us and the Government of the day and, a point often missed, the political media which feed off us.

It is that political class, politely referred to as the "Westminster village", which is becoming increasingly despised by the real people who earn the money to pay the taxes to keep it afloat.

Nope, I can't argue with any of that. Although possibly "despised" is not a strong enough word to describe how I feel about these bastards...

UPDATE: from the same speech, here are some more pertinent points on the Lisbon Treaty itself.
It is somewhat devious of the Europhiles to pretend that Lisbon reverses this trend by giving real power to national parliaments. It is true that if, in eight weeks, one third of national parliaments can get their act together and get the parliamentary time from their Governments to disagree with a new legislative proposal with which most of those Governments will already have agreed, then Brussels must think again.

However, the Commission can go ahead unless the Council and the Parliament—which will also have agreed with the proposal—change their minds and agree with the one third of national parliaments who do not want it. Even then, 54 per cent of the votes in the Council and 49 per cent of votes in the Parliament can agree with the national parliaments and be overridden. Some democracy, that.

Likewise, it is very naughty to pretend that Lisbon makes it easier for us to leave the EU. It would subject us to a two-year period of negotiation controlled by Brussels, whereas, at present, we could repeal the Single European Act tomorrow and walk free from this prison into the fresh air of free trade and sovereignty regained.
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However, our political classes love the EU gravy train, the nubile translators, the endless committees and conferences, the travel to Bali and other agreeable places, the feeling that they are maintaining peace in the world—rather unsuccessfully, I submit—and generally doing good, while being very well paid by the rest of us for that luxury. The prospects for all that are greatly enhanced by the Lisbon treaty. That is why they like it and real people hate it.

Real people are already very frustrated, to the extent that many of them no longer see the point of voting in general elections. They want our democracy back so that they can sack the people who make their laws. Real people will get more and more angry until they get it.

Bravo!

UPDATE 2: the UKIP tag-team carries on with a speech from Lord Willoughby de Broke. Not only does he neatly skewer every argument that I have heard anyone advance in favour of the Treaty, but he also lays into Leon Brittan's abysmal piece of pro-EU propaganda that I delivered a kicking to yesterday.

Here's a representative quote or two.
During Madame Sarkozy's successful visit a couple of weeks ago, her husband was interviewed on the "Today" programme about the implications of the reform treaty for Britain. He said:
"No one is asking Britain to change its real identity. Keep your language, your culture, your interests".

That is very big of him, is it not? He conspicuously did not say, "Keep your parliamentary democracy and powers". Of course he did not say that, because he knew that it would not be true. It simply cannot happen.
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For years we have heard the soothing mood music from the Europhiles: "Don't be alarmed, there is nothing much happening. There has been no loss of sovereignty. The treaty simply aims to make the European Union more efficient. There will be no significant transfer of powers". That is what we have been told for years. Who here remembers that the noble Lord, Lord Hurd, called the Maastricht treaty the high water mark of European integration? I wonder whether he still believes that and could say it now with a straight face. I do not think he could.

In today's Times we have more cooing from the Europhile doves. The noble Lord, Lord Brittan, has written an article headed,
"How piquant if unelected Lords impose a referendum".

He repeats the soft soap stuff; the canard that the,
"purpose of the treaty is to make the EU function more efficiently".

We have heard that a lot this afternoon. The fact is that without this treaty the EU is already producing a mass of legislation. Thousands of regulations and directives are produced every year that this House and the other place simply cannot touch. We have to rubber stamp. We cannot alter a single comma of it. We all know that, do we not? Yes, we do. Thousands of directives and regulations go through without being scrutinised. Well, we can scrutinise and debate, but we cannot change them, even if we disagree with them. Nothing can be changed.
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Then the noble Lord, Lord Brittan, in his article, moves on to the question of referendums. He is opposed to them,
"as they are incompatible with representative parliamentary government, the true hallmark of the British constitutional system".

That sounds wonderfully statesman-like and unarguable as a principle, but it falls because, as my noble friend Lord Leach said so cogently in his speech, the British people have not been asked and they have therefore never given their consent for their representative parliamentary government, as the noble Lord, Lord Brittan, has it, to hand over permanently to an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels powers that were only lent to them temporarily for the term of a five-year Parliament. However, that is what has been happening over the years; over the treaties, Parliament has been giving away powers that were not its to give away. That is why people are so furious, so disillusioned with the whole EU process.


Quite so. And may I just add that Lord Brittan is a lying sack of shit who should be chased across country by a baying pack of dogs before being winged and then torn apart by the ravenous hounds?

But, in some ways, perhaps we should not make such a fuss about the Lisbon Treaty: our governments have already given away so many of our powers that it hardly seems worth fighting for those that are left.

Their betrayal of the British people is now near-absolute: le grand projet is so close to completion that The Colleagues are even now scenting the sweet smell of success in the air.

We will all be EU citizens soon, whether we desire that or not, and EU citizens we shall remain until the people rise up and start hanging MPs, Lords, MEPs, Commissioners and bureaucrats. Until that happens, why delude ourselves that our democracy is anything of the sort?

Personally, I don't particularly care about democracy: I do care about liberty. Democracy is not the point of the exercise, the endgame: liberty is.

Under the EU, into whose ungentle embrace we are being delivered by the very democracy we seem so inordinately proud of, we will have neither democracy nor liberty.

9 comments:

Pablo the Scot said...

At least one Lord of the Realm understands what the hell is going on. But can arguement alone overturn the pork belly politics involved in the EU? How many of these people are actually in the EU's pay?

Anonymous said...

"Westminster Village" I don't know who invented this phrase but it sums up beautifully the little isolated pampered world of our rulers all with so much more in common with each other than with them out there in "this country", still going through the motions of ritualised party political rivalry yet with increasingly little conviction.

Political correctness has neutered their differences and the EU has largely eradicated their reason for being there at all.

Most of the country out there realise this. It is now a long time since what happens at Westminster has been seen to be important to our lives other than as an irritation.

This is serious.

A political system which loses its raison d'etre can trade on its momentum to coast in the short term but cannot last in the medium term.
The long term doesn't count much in the 21st century.

The Empty Suit said...

This is utterly off-topic, but the Darling pub ban has made it down to Bath.

http://tinyurl.com/3cqmo8

ivehadenough said...

So, the EU costs us £100bn per annum. Why not do the following? On condition that parliament withdraws completely and finally from the EU, and with a stroke of a pen undoes all legislation of the last 30 years and ongoing programmes, we give all UK MEPs and MPs £100bn to share between them - that's perhaps £20m to £100m each, depending on their "status", plus they can choose whatever exalted sounding title they wish, to keep for life - e.g.Earl of whereever. And then they all leave the UK, preferably.

That's got to be more than what the EU is paying them.

After one year our country would be ahead, financially, and hey, what price freedom?

Henry North London said...

is this Norman Brittan one of thatchers poodles?

Gordon Bennet

Time for a revolt?

Prodicus said...

Brilliant. But I am still weeping.

Serf said...

My dog eats anything, but even she would turn her nose up at that lying traitorous bag of shit.

Centaur said...

"Personally, I don't particularly care about democracy: I do care about liberty. Democracy is not the point of the exercise, the endgame: liberty is."

It's rare to hear anyone say this, so I'm glad you did. That is the point; democracy is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

The current set of politos simply do not understand this. They think it's ok to oppress as long as there is a show of "democracy". Every time I hear Dumbarse Brown utter the word I want to strangle the fucker.

yokel said...

I too like the reference to liberty vs democracy. The British had liberty and a fair form of government long before the vast majority of its citizens got the vote. Indeed, some would say that the present rot started WHEN the vast majority of its citizens got the vote.