Saturday, March 08, 2008


The learned Question That rails against the collusion of the big three that has led to the betrayal of our country and the side-lining of our Parliament and has come to a decision.
It's embryonic at the moment, and its brand of free-market libertarianism isn't entirely to my taste, but I'm going to become a member of the UK Libertarian Party anyway. If for no other reason than that it represents a potential break from the rotten political status quo. Where 3 barely distinguishable parties, colluding to give up parliamentary sovereignty (EU Referendum) compete at election-time based on little but pretense. And, thing is, I reckon a hell of a lot of other people all across the country feel the same way...

Well, let us hope so. We haven't really been trying yet, merely attempting to recruit the sympathetic of the blogosphere and we are not far off one hundred members, with another hundred and fifty participating in the forums. But it takes a lot of time and effort (not to mention all of the compliance rules, etc.) to set up a new party and there are only five of us doing it. Do feel free to pitch in and help if you believe in libertarianism.

Because you know that I do. And this is one of those advantages that you have over other politicians and parties. You know precisely what I believe in; those of you who have read this blog over the entire course of the last three years will have seen the gradual conversion and eventual conviction that libertarianism is the only decent, moral course.

Libertarianism's fundamental tenet is that I have absolutely no right to tell you how you live your own life. It's central axiom is that I am no better than you, and that you should be left to make your own decisions about what makes you happy.

And you are all more entirely aware of the fact that I have made some serious (and expensive) mistakes in my life. You know that I have starved, that I have been desperate. And you all know that I do my best to engage with my critics and debate with them.

None of this will change with my involvement in politics. None of this would change if I were elected (though I might despise myself a little more as I got out of bed in the morning). One of the mottos, amongst the five of us who started the LPUK, is that we will not play by "their" rules. We want to be honest and, further, we want to remove as much of government's power over you as possible.

To sum up, the advantage that you all have is that you know me, through this blog. You know my thought processes, you know who I am, and you know what I want to achieve. You may disagree with my views, but at least you know that I hold them honestly.


Roger Thornhill said...

Well railed, QT. Welcome on board!

thud said...

I'm not sure where I stand on this yet but I do support your efforts.I will watch closely and if some issuies I have are clarified over time I will join.

Maverick said...

Looking good devil.

"We will abolish the compulsory TV License." Tick

"Abolish Regional Agencies as a priority in the QANGO cull." Tick

"We will ensure that the UK does not enter into any binding agreements with supra-national entities"… Tick (I think we will have to get out of the EU though and if possible negotiate a trade only deal.)

"Strengthen UK ties with the Commonwealth nations." Tick…

Devil's Kitchen said...

"(I think we will have to get out of the EU though and if possible negotiate a trade only deal.)"

Well, the EU is a supra-national entity. Besides, we simply cannot implement a libertarian manifesto whilst we are members of said organisation.

But we do not want to be painted as a single-issue party, a la UKIP.

We want libertarianism, therefore we have to leave the EU. That's all.


Anonymous said...

A few days ago on an earlier post about tax this reply was given to a comment I wrote. "

anonymous 3:02am said:
'if you got rid of income tax there would be a huge inflationary gap created through having a easy fiscal policy this would create overnight hyper inflation.'

Rubbish. 'Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon' (Milton Friedman, I think).

Cutting taxes (provided the money supply does not change) simply changes the recipients of that money. In particular the money stays in the hands of those that earn it, rather than being confiscated by the state.

3/04/2008 12:55:00 PM "

This is my reply.

I understand the concept that money never disappears that is logical. If you pay less tax then the same money will be there but in your pocket that is fine. However inflation is the relationship between the output during a specific period of time and the money that circulates the economy during that period of time.

You are correct that the money will not disappear but it will be distributed. However it is the period of time that the money is taken out of circulation that will reduce the inflationary gap or alternatively extra money that would enter the economy during that period of time that would create an inflationary gap.

If you got rid of income tax it would increase the amount of money in circulation during that period of time. This would create an inflationary gap.

Your point is contradictory. If changes in the level of aggregate demand do not have any affect on the economy and inflationary and deflationary gaps then why do Governments use monetary policy. If your logic is correct then surely as soon as interest rates rise investment would rise and there would be no reduction in aggregate demand. This clearly is not the case and the reason for this is not because that money disappears (it does not disappear it become investment or profits for banks). It is because that money is taken out of circulation for a certain period of time.

Do not think of inflation purely as money supply and output but active money supply (money in circulation) and output. It will be the money that is used to purchase goods that will affect the level of inflation not money that is not in circulation.

It is therefore possible to conclude that you would need some way of reducing the level of aggregate demand to compensate for the excess level of aggregate demand that would be created through decreasing taxes. The only thing that could oppose this argument is if the amount of money people has increases as a result of a decrease in tax it might increase saving. However it is unlikely that this would happen.

Finally another point that backs me up is Governments also alter fiscal policy to control inflation for example not giving civil servants inflation meeting pay increases. This clearly works, if it did not then inflation would be higher than it is a the moment.

Please tell me your opinion of your answer.

Shug Niggurath said...

I'm 37 years old now and have went from considering myself a free market tory at 19 to now realising that the tories don't really do it for me - they want half my wages the same as the labour party.

One thing DK - when you stand against these cunts, be aware that they will try and use your blog against you - most likely post the quotes about ropes n lamposts.

String the fuckers up when they do haha.

cookie said...

Devil, I'd be delighted to help in any way possible. For my own selfish interest, England is becoming a less attractive prospect and it needs all the help it can get.

cookie said...

And, for what it's worth, as a fellow former-starvee, I really don't like the new colour scheme. The contrast between background and hyperlink is particularly unattractive.

I am a libertarian said...


I thought it was a page load problem. Yes the contrast is shite.

DK. I signed up to the forum but the site(s) are down so I can't join the party. What's up?

Re being an expat, I gave Boris some dosh. Why not accept up to the £200 limit if that also applies to political parties? Every little helps and many of us who have left might well be your natural supporters. Hell we might even come back if you get elected.

One final comment. Some of your policies may need refinement. So what? I am voting for a policy, a policy of libertarianism. With that I know there will be less Gvnt, less shit. That's all I need to know.

Ian said...

Thanks for the link. Yes, I signed up for LPUK. At the moment it seems like a shot in the dark, but there aren't exactly established alternatives.

I wouldn't join UKIP, because I get the impression that there are too many there that are anti-Europe rather than anti-EU.

Roger Thornhill said...

Anon 9:44

If income taxes are not levied the person spending the income changes from the government and the people it employs directly or indirectly back to the person who actually EARNT it.

The cuts in QANGOs will begin before the income tax cuts, so the increase in demand from most people will be offset to some extent by the drop in demand by those who have lived their life off the State and realise their number is up.

Considering the massive amount of debt, I think a number of people will use the first few months to cut back on their credit card balances.

Tomrat said...


What you are doing a good thing - it is important that you should never compromise on that; I offer my apologies (past and advanced) when it looks like I'm (advising?) such compromises on the LPUK forums.

The reason for this is that expensive mistakes, starvation and desperation are things we dont have to ignore because we are liberterians (which is one reason why I hated Vindico's welfare proposal so much) despite what the world may think of us (and certainly what the media will brand us). The real problem with the present government, and bigger yet, the whole political system in the UK is not the amount of money we are putting into it, but the amount of time we put into it ourselves; if anything Liberterianism has taught me that you will never achieve true success in any enterprise by throwing money at it more than you would by throwing yourself at it.

That is why what you are doing is so important.

Dan Vevers said...

To be honest, although it may be really premature, I'm starting to get very enthused about LPUK, and very much looking forward to the first meeting! Thank you to you and the other four founders of the Party for giving all us libertarians and true fiscal conservatives a banner to flock to.

Proposing the abolition of income tax was a stroke of pure class and I hope many more will follow.

Tomrat said...

The trick is going to be to convince people who dont readily understand how 0% income taxation would work; we need to be able to exemplify 2 things:

1. Where present income tax is going (wrong).
2. Where a future liberterian sales tax on, say, a 2L bottle of White Lightening Cider would go, and how this addresses the negative impacts of such a product.

Otherwise, As Master Dale said, we just look like a bunch of rightist lunatics on the fringe and will be treated as such.

In fact thats what we could demonstrate - DK, perhaps an example poster illustrating how tax and "duty" on a bottle of undrinkable filth like White Lightening would differ under Libertarian taxation policy?