Thursday, February 21, 2008

UK Libertarian

Join LPUKUK Libertarian: the party that believes in people, not systems.

If you are a veritable Sherlock Holmes, you may notice a vaguely handsome new badge over in the sidebar.

If you are a member or supporter of the UK Libertarian Party, you can find a whole host of website buttons and badges over here. More will follow.

The website has been given a bit wee bit of a makeover too...

UPDATE: a quick and dirty idea for a poster-style campaign...


What do people think (yes, I know the design leaves a bit to be required)...?

27 comments:

Mike Blessing [KCUF Media] said...

Maybe the Libertarian Party in the States should adopt it (or something like it) . . . ?

Cascadian said...

Wow, not much wrong there, but you are the expert on design.

Minor comments:
Pound sign missing in front of 61,000
I would also enlarge "something wrong here"

I am an ex-pat and have never bothered to vote since I left although I have the right. I would definitely make the effort for this party.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Cascadian,

Thanks for those tips: duly changed...

DK

Mark Wadsworth said...

That's a great ppster, esp. for 45 in the morning. Not sure where 40% comes from, but that's maybe just me being pedantic.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Mark,

It was plucked out of the air: I reckoned that, by the time you'd paid income tax, NI, VAT, fuel duty, etc., you must be somewhere near 40%.

And since the government spending is somewhere near 45% of GDP, I thought that 40% was a reasonable compromise.

Do you have a better figure?

DK

Henry Crun said...

DK, can I half-inch it for my own blog site?

Devil's Kitchen said...

Please do. Let's go viral, yeah baby yeah!

Or something...

DK

The Great Simpleton said...

Good start. I'd prefer the "Something Wrong Here" to be bolder and at the top - but as an engineer type I gave up making suggestions to marketing and communications types years ago.

Andrew Ian Dodge said...

Nice, works for me mate.

Kay Tie said...

If that's the most that's wrong here, then it's feeble indeed. Is this all the Libertarian Party stands against? The most important issue of the day is how much snouty MPs are paid?

Detention without trial? ID cards? Surveillance society? Rules regulating every tiny aspect of our lives? The utter incompetent and corrupt spending of our money?

Devil's Kitchen said...

Kay Tie,

I did say that it was "a quick and dirty idea".

Given that I am one of the founders of the party and you have been hanging around The Kitchen for a while, you must know that this is hardly likely to be our biggest concern. It is, however, a concern.

In the meantime, if you would like to lob some catchy slogans into the comments here, then do feel free...

DK

Mark Wadsworth said...

DK< to the nearest round fraction, I think that "half your wages" is closer to the mark.

Tomrat247 said...

Chris,

Awesome poster but Kay Tie's right - EU referrendum made a different point but the outcome would be pretty much the same:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/02/failure-of-opposition.html

Its easy to poke holes in an arguement/system/reputation, but much much harder to posit an solution. Simply stating tired libertarian philosophies over and over wont cut it either; people need tangible policies and practical applications.

Devil's Kitchen said...

"Its easy to poke holes in an arguement/system/reputation, but much much harder to posit an solution."

We have solutions; we are very close to formalising policy but we are not close enough for me to sit posting them prematurely on here yet.

But actually, given people's attitude to small parties (and I've had a 18 months in which to analyse that attitude), it is equally important to give them a solid reason not to vote for any of the Big 3.

Only if you cut people loose from the Big 3 will they even consider voting for a small party.

DK

Tomrat247 said...

Touche',

Not that I doubt you have some hard hitting policies DK (I will be signing up to the LP on payday). Conversely building a voter base from disenfranchised Conservative and UKIP voters could be counter productive; in my naive youth I remember reading Michael Moores "Dude, Where's My Country?" to find he blamed the independant candidate he supported, Nader, for taking votes away from a potential democratic victory in some of the states - apparently Republican party members donated to his campaign before the election. Not a great example but makes you think...

(note: the word verification for this comments say "dkrun" - prophetic maybe?)
I think UKIP wanted to avoid this problem through their "better-off-out" policy - Will the LP adopt a similar policy?

Devil's Kitchen said...

"I think UKIP wanted to avoid this problem through their "better-off-out" policy - Will the LP adopt a similar policy?"

No. We are the Libertarian Party, not an anti-UK party. We must leave the EU to achieve our aims, but we have no intention of being mistaken, as UKIP have been, for an anti-EU pressure group.

DK

Machiavelli's Understudy said...

I'd rather see the LP in a position to take the moral high ground, rather than make some of the disingenuous assertions in that campaign idea.

Sorry, but I'm not with you on that idea, DK. I think you've hit on all the wrong elements of parliamentary privileges.

Devil's Kitchen said...

MU,

Any suggestions as to what you would use instead? Bearing in mind that this sort of thing really doesn't suit a long, wordy, nuanced piece about "on the one hand" and "on the other"...?

DK

Tomrat247 said...

Chris,

I will await the release the formal policy; no doubt it will be far more coherent than my errant warblings, but I think a policy - a "treaty of non-aggression" if you like - should be included with people who sign up in support of libertarian principles; that way marginal seats for the one or two good MP in the big 3 and even UKIP will not see a vote-drain & some statist imbecile from the Fib Dems, the greens or Labour would get them - unless they REALLY have it coming.

Anyway off point; awesome poster - cant wait to see the "long and clean" version...

Ade said...

Some random thoughts:

- Change "MPs win" to "Your MP gets"

- Change "You lose" to "You pay"

- Roll up all the money into one single headline figure ("£196,000 to spend as they please") - because that's basically true.

- Add "a gilt-edged pension" (or similar)

- Add "A lifetime on the gravy train", if you're feeling mischevious.

40% of wages is about right - see http://www.adamsmith.org/tax-freedom-day/

Tomrat247 said...

Just looking at the ASI's tax freedom day website; that should be the date you release the LP finished policies - 1st June, for maximum impact.

Falco said...

I have just joined and if I can do anything to help please let me know. One thing while I think of it, there is a glitch in the "join now" button, (top right on the site), taking you to a 404.

As for a slogan I think that "1984 was not an intruction manual" is one that we should adopt.

cascadian said...

Dear Devil,

Thanks for the quick response to my previous comment.

Now allow me to tie a comment together from two of your subsequent posts.

In "A(n) open letter" you point out that a company does not accept payment by Pay-pal. May I humbly suggest that the Libertarian Party also expand its horizons by allowing member registration of ex-pat voters? This ties into the second post "There we go again" where you sub-conciously identify a ready made constituency of voters fed-up with the status quo-"3.247 million British-born people living abroad"

May your endeavours be successful.

the a&e charge nurse said...

Devil - isn't there a danger that the fate of certain peripheral political parties is akin to an exciting new indie band ?

If they attract too much attention they are swallowed by one of the 'majors'.

Any originality, or subversiveness is soon crushed under the labrynthine machinations of the music 'biz'.

The band splinters and individual members go on to release increasingly predictable solo offerings, who, despite the hottest production team, still cannot escape the diminishing returns paradigm ?

verity said...

Cascadian, I don't know how long you've been gone, obviously, but you can vote for around seven (it maybe 15) years after you last appeared on an electoral roll. You can't vote in British elections for the rest of your life.

Dan Vevers said...

Great poster, I'll continue the viral idea and advertise it on my blog site! Come to think of it, did I get paid today? ... could be time to join the LP.

Dan Vevers said...

Also, according to Wat Tyler at the Burning Our Money blog, apparently the state spends 43% of our incomes, for the precise figure (though whether he's right or not I'm not as sure)