Friday, February 15, 2008

A police response?

A post of mine on the subject of the police has been picked up by, and received numerous hits from, the Police Oracle forum. Now I assume that people are members of, or affiliated with, the police.

So, it is good to see comments like this one from Penbwich who neatly sums up the kind of attitude that I was talking about with this post.
Sounds like he is trying to find excuses for something. Perhaps he is hiding something. Perhaps he should be the subject of a raid.

There's nothing quite like the rush of abusing a position of power for personal gain, is there, eh?

Most of the comments are dismissive of my language or insinuating—not too subtely—that I am a habitual criminal with a "loyalty card" (sorry to disappoint you, chaps) and brushing aside any issues of exactly why the report was wrong; there is one sensible comment there though.
If you ignore the style and concentrate on the substance, he makes some valid points.

The Swindon raid, as I have previously said, may well have been necessary in the manner in which it was conducted, depending upon the intelligence received. The complete balderdash spouted by the senior officers afterwards was ridiculous, patronising, and entirely without merit.

As for police pay, the government's treachery in respect of this matter is vile, but the pay isn't too bad. (Conversley, the wages of sin are death, but the hours are good)

As for the oppressive tendencies of the police in today's society, there is an increasing number of ordinary middle class people who would agree that it is happening.

Out of the mouths of babes and fondlings, not to mention complete berks, can occasionally come words of wisdom.

And this comment made me laugh because it is, just about, true.
good bloke - proving this isnt a Police state by having the freedom to insist it is!

Although Angry Man neatly counters it with this...
I got bored but i would like to meet the chap and introduce him to the communications act for his vile report

... which serves to remind us all that there are probably aspects of what I write that I could be arrested for these days (although not when I started out: the landscape has changed in such a short time).

As for the rest of the Police Oracle commenters, if you can tell me which parts of my rant were factually incorrect—I do, after all, only have the media report to go from—then I will be happy to issue a correction. In particular, if anyone would like to tell me whether or not the Swindon police still have possession of these completely legal weapons, I would love to know.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I like how the only one that even hinted that he read that post was immediately accused of being yourself.

Seem like a tedious self-congratulating lot.

Machiavelli's Understudy said...

I'd like to meet them and introduce them to a day's honest work.

The biggest collective mound of useless flesh since the the appendix. Not once have they ever been useful to me, my family, colleagues, friends and neighbours when we've needed them- yet they have the audacity to be as prickly as they were with you, DK, when we make our thoughts about them known.

They couldn't even do an honest march to Westminster when they went on that day's jolly for their petty pay dispute- they did a token meander along the road and then hit all the pubs to get drenched in alcohol.

What really pisses me off is that that lot doesn't go through a fraction of what our front line armed forces go through AND for a lot less, too.

Little Black Sambo said...

We are all now probably breaking the law in various ways, without knowing exactly how. This unease is deeply inimical to the sort of safe predictable life we used to lead. Any disgruntled rozzer can twitch our chain just to remind us. How is such a process ever reversed?

JuliaM said...

"Sounds like he is trying to find excuses for something. Perhaps he is hiding something. Perhaps he should be the subject of a raid."

It always amuses me when I see comments (both on police blogs, media sites and in conversation) along the lines of 'Oh, it's the higher ups, the boys on the ground are just as hacked off and want to fight crime properly, etc, etc'.

They forget that for every copper who does truly desire to be Gene Hunt and clean up the streets so old ladies can walk unmolested, there's three or four who want to be Inspector Javert. Or PsiCop Bester, for anyone who watched 'Babylon 5'...

And in the firearms unit, we seem to have a few who want to be Rambo, yet proving to be more like Inspector bloody Clouseau, taking several shots to kill a dog on several occasions:

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/news/default.asp?article_id=38310
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Rottweiler-shot-dead-in-Leeds.3739407.jp

Perhaps next time they should get several of their mates to hold it down so they can shoot it in the head?

Anonymous said...

Bully boys and busy-bodies in uniforms.

Machiavelli's Understudy said...

Sorry, but who's Inspector Javert?

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javert

Iain Dale's Diary said...

Perhaps you should be the subject of a raid. Aren't you a self-confessed user of illegal drugs? Care to pay your dues to society? Or is that OK and other other lawbreakers are just hoi polloi who should be imprisoned?

Machiavelli's Understudy said...

Aren't you a self-confessed user of illegal drugs

Using drugs isn't against the law, nor should it, on its own, be taken as a reason to 'raid' someone's private property.

Care to pay your dues to society?

Oh, and what might they be? I'm sure DK pays his burdensome taxes, refrains from harming life and property and has done more than his fair share of wiping old people's arses for a modest income.

Or is that OK and other other lawbreakers are just hoi polloi who should be imprisoned?

You don't get it, do you? We have shit laws and shit people who 'enforce' these shit laws. I don't think DK has advocated everyone else being imprisoned so long as he's okay.

Anonymous said...

Lazy fucking police would rather shoot the messenger in the head a dozen times while sitting on a tube train than address the issues that the fucking police ARE BECOMING DESPISED by the population of this country. Even to the point that when I hear that one is killed in the line of duty a little tiny part of me thinks "good". A wrong thought, to be sure, but an increasingly common wrong thought.

Mrs Peel said...

That forum frightens the life out of me. I thought it was a spoof based on what the police were like 25 years ago.

They appear to want to fit you up! I would make a copy of that in case something happens.

Seriously they sound deranged.

JuliaM said...

"...the fucking police ARE BECOMING DESPISED by the population of this country."

Well, they always have been, by a tiny percentage (i.e. the born criminals). Which is understandable, and never much of a worry.

What is worrying is that that attitude is now spreading to the law abiding percentage which is much greater, and the police don't seem to realise this, or have a plan to combat it!

It's as if they no longer feel that they need that law abiding majoriity's goodwill in order to do their job.

What has brought about that shift, I wonder?

Mark Wadsworth said...

Anonymous "A wrong thought, to be sure, but an increasingly common wrong thought"

I actually laughed out loud at that comment. That's a good way of looking at things.

Anonymous said...

A quick glace at the police oracle forum leaves one with the inescapable impression that the contributors are all of the type who refer to 'civilians'.

Neal Asher said...

Oh c'mon Devil, you're taking yourself far too seriously if you don't recognise the irony in this:

Sounds like he is trying to find excuses for something. Perhaps he is hiding something. Perhaps he should be the subject of a raid.

Yeah, there were some silly ones afterwards, but the writer of this one had his tongue firmly in his cheek.

Kay Tie said...

"Yeah, there were some silly ones afterwards, but the writer of this one had his tongue firmly in his cheek."

Not sure about tongue and cheek, but something stuck firmly somewhere else, yes.

davyjones said...

You don't have to be thick, cowardly and bullying to join the police, but you'll enjoy yourself a lot if you are.

Anonymous said...

The police Oracle site is a general discussion forum for all there is no requirement to be a police officer or ideed connected to the police. However consider this, it cost each uk tax payer £2 to give the police their payrise but £2000 each to bail out Northern Rock. i know which one i'd rather give money too!!!

Kay Tie said...

"i know which one i'd rather give money too!!!"

Yeah. Northern Rock. Because (1) it's a one-off £2000, not £2 per year forever, and (2) there's a fighting chance of getting the £2000 back, but bugger-all chance of getting anything for the £2.

david said...

davy jones said: "You don't have to be thick, cowardly and bullying to join the police, but you'll enjoy yourself a lot if you are."

You only have to watch documentaries like "Street Wars" and "Traffic Police" to confirm that this is sadly true.

Braeg Heneffe said...

I'd like Northen Rock to make a profit in a few years, and give every penny back to the government that it borrowed. I mean it must have cost a fortune just for the government advisors...

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