Friday, January 04, 2008

From personal experience?

Via Croydonian, here is an entertaining No 10 petition (all spelling mistakes are the petition author's own).
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to make it ilegal to marry and have sex with your cousin.

I think it is wrong to have sex with your cousin and be able to marry and have children with them. This should be made ilegal as they are still a member of your family. if a person is related to you no matter how long distant then it is wrong. If you have a child with a member of your family there are high risks of that child having savere dissabilities,and all those people out there that are haiving sexual relations with a family member should take this into consideration. why should an inoccent child live a life of pain through dissabilites because there parents were selfish and couldn't find some one outside there family. Through the actions of people like this is why sociaty is dragged down, it's people like this that give our country a bad name. Please think of all those inoccent children who are disabled because of this, and make this ilegal.

Thank you, Shannon: is this from personal experience, by any chance? Or were you merely taught English in a state school?*

As far as I am aware, it is already illegal to have sex with or marry your first cousin precisely because of the increased chances of expressing faulty recessive alleles.

Some people...

UPDATE: thanks to all of the commenters who point out that this practice is not illegal in the UK. Frankly, I am astonished: I had simply assumed that it was.

It should be pointed out that the risk of defects is relatively small unless this process is repeated frequently.


* Yes, yes, I know I've used this a couple of times recently, but I'm too busy to think up anything else.

25 comments:

Tomrat247 said...

The armchair psychologist in me thinks she's definately received an education from a sink school somewhere in the north and, having been exposed to excess PC ideology at a near fatal level, cannot bring herself to discuss her many prejudices against the usual suspects of gays, blacks or asians. Instead she's "evolved" her prejudices to compensate to include minority groups you can still behave intollerant to and, though purely speculation of course, she is most exposed to on a daily basis - the inbred.

Tis' a cross we northeners have to bear i'm afraid...

Unsworth said...

I'm seriously considering setting up a State Education Victims' Support Group.

This person is obviously in urgent need of massive remedial intervention.

Surely the numbskulls in Brussels must have some sort of fund to support this noble cause?

Politicalog said...

It is however legal in Scotland

anthonynorth said...

I was educated in a state school in the north.
Innit

Mark Wadsworth said...

Where would that leave Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip?

Anonymous said...

Fair enough the person who posted that has difficulty with spelling.

However there are a number of possible reasons for the lack of grasp of the English language, personally I'm fucking atrocious when it comes to spelling and grammar (through reasons outside my level of intellect or quality of education), having a comprehensive grasp of English language is not a sign of superior breeding or education but expressing it to put down others is a sign of having a smaller penis.

verity said...

It is not - repeat not illegal to marry your first cousin in England. This accounts for the fact that Pakistanis, who import first cousins to marry, although I am sure there are enough of them around now that they won't need to order out much longer, account for 31% of treatment of birth defects on the NHS. Around 2.5m (allowing for government lying) Pakistanis in a country of 60m account for around one-third of the birth defects. (Daily Telegraph; look it up. I didn't save the link.)

This is why Bradford MP Anne Cryer has been fighting a lonely battle to get first cousin marriages declared incest and declared illegal.

The gal who wrote the post may well be from the North of England and have seen the evidence of this very primitive practice in her city.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Verity, you are a genius. Here is the link

View from the Solent said...

'It should be pointed out that the risk of defects is relatively small unless this process is repeated frequently.'
How often does one have to marry a first cousin before the risk becomes large?
(sorry, I had a leisurely lunch ...)

Shug Niggurath said...

@DK

It should be pointed out that the risk of defects is relatively small unless this process is repeated frequently.

The shagging or the marrying???

Little Black Sambo said...

On balance, then, DK, you are not so much opposed to the suggestion after all?

And: "Where would that leave Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip?" - I don't know MW; you tell us.

verity said...

With Pakistanis, they marry first cousins for generation after generation. Could be ten generations of first cousin marriage within one family, which is why they have such a phenomenal level of birth defects and cost the NHS so much money. The idea is, they can trust their close family and it keeps the money all in the same tight-knit group of people. It also means that being legally brain dead is endemic in the "community".

I often suspect that the fragrant Inayat Bungalow boy is a product of first cousin marriage.

If the NHS is going to start rationing service for self-inflicted ailments, like smoking and drinking more than one "unit" a week, they would do well to start with the Pakistanis.

verity said...

MP Anne Cryer, of Bradford, has been a lone voice for legislation against first cousin marriages in Britain for ages. Other MPs whose constituencies contain large numbers of Pakistanis are not as brave Ms Cryer and she is thus stymied.

Henry North London said...

Well we only have to wait until they marry themselves out it wont be long you know

But yes In Hindu and Sikh communities it is frowned upon because we know the risks

I have a particularly common surname in the Subcontinent (no North is not my surname) common as smith I dare not marry ( if I were the marrying kind) the same surname or up to three other common surnames within the same caste or I would risk getting a recessive disease in the children

The culture of marrying your first cousin is fair enough in royal circles but thats mostly due to Queen Victoria and the first King of the Belgians and we know what haemophilia did to the Russian royal family because of Victorias gene defect.

The plain fact is that the Danes,the Greeks, and the British Royal family are all related along with several minor German princelings

Philips real surname is

Schleswig-Holstein Sonderburg Glucksburg, and Queen Saxe Coburg Gotha

Put them together as in Mountbatten-Windsor which is their surname now

and you get Schleswig-Holstein Sonderburg Glucksburg-Saxe-Coburg Gotha
Nice mouthful aint it!

Why do you think they had to marry the princes out They could not have married more royals without having real difficulty with recessive diseases

Hence marrying him off to Diana who by the way had a better claim than Charles to the throne through the Stuart lineage.

Its fascinating is royal pedigrees and who is related to who

Tip If you can trace your ancestors back to the Civil war in England then you are almost certainly related to the Queen or a noble house in one way or another.

Mark Wadsworth said...

HNL, I never assumed that 'North' was your surname, I always assumed that 'London' was your surname and 'North' your middle name. (Unless you are Chinese or Bavarian or Korean, in which case 'Henry' would be your family name). Etc etc. [cue polite laughter to fade].

verity said...

Not just Caucasians, Hindus and Sikhs, Sri Kumar, or Singh or whatever your common Indian name is, but actually, the entire human race, save the Pakistanis, has seemed to abhor this habit, obviously having observed the consequences in their own cultures and made it taboo.

I don't know of any culture, except the Pakistanis, that hasn't forbidden this custom, and it should be outlawed in Britain to save taxpayer money on the NHS if nothing else.

The gal who wrote the petition above was obviously reacting to what she has seen in her city in the north.

Henry North London said...

Oh for sure I see it too but I know the reason and I dont support it either but thats the way things in Pakistan are. Thing is you'll never change grass root culture for most of them

verity said...

Henry North London, I don't think anyone gives a stuff about the grassroots culture in Pakistan. But they ought not to be allowed to bring their primitive habits to the advanced West and it should most assuredly be outlawed. I'm sure the only reason we never made a law hundreds of years ago is, it never occurred to anyone that anyone would think this was OK.

I don't think this is an islamic thing. It seems to be confined to the Pakistanis and isn't anything to do with religion.

Henry North London said...

No I guess they don't and I guess they allowed cousin marriages in Britain because of the Queen and royalty and the nobility but the plain matter is that several consanguinous marriages cause havoc with gene pools.

Ordovicius said...

thanks to all of the commenters who point out that this practice is not illegal in the UK. Frankly, I am astonished: I had simply assumed that it was.

You're not Catholic are you?

;)

Devil's Kitchen said...

"Tip If you can trace your ancestors back to the Civil war in England then you are almost certainly related to the Queen or a noble house in one way or another."

I can certainly trace my lineage back to Cromwell...

DK

Henry North London said...

Then are you hoping to become Lord Protector if the Libertarian party comes to power on a landslide?


Time to start campaigning now while people are being sold down the river!

IanP said...

The practice of marrying first cousins in the UK whilst not illegal does require the permission of the Home Secretary. (so technically the government can stop it).

I know this because my Brother had to go through the process when he married our 1st cousin.

They also had to give an undertaking that no children would be borne, so both elected to have surgery to fulfil that undertaking.

Anonymous said...

"I think it is wrong to have sex with your cousin and be able to marry and have children with them. This should be made ilegal as they are still a member of your family. if a person is related to you no matter how long distant then it is wrong."

So in that case we shouldn't marry or have sex with anyone or indeed anything?

Anonymous said...

DK,

You shouldn't let your Mummy anywhere near the computer again. How embarassing!