Monday, December 03, 2007

Spunking his money away

Via Mike Power (from whom I pinched the heading), this is just fucking insane.
A London man who donated sperm to a lesbian couple is being made to pay child support, it was revealed today.

Andy Bathie, 37, a firefighter from Enfield, agreed to help Sharon and Terri Arnold after they assured him he would have no involvement in the children's upbringing and no financial commitment.
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Mr Bathie was approached by the couple five years ago after they were “married” in a ceremony. They had unsuccessfully asked other male friends.

He said: “I did look into the legal side and understood that as a couple they would be the parents, not me. I was never Daddy.”

He was stunned when the Child Support Agency contacted him last November to demand payments because the women had split up.

Officials made him take a £400 paternity test and began docking his pay.

You have been warned: do not donate sperm to any of your lesbian friends, OK?
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority is now warning “DIY” donors they are liable financially unless they donate through a licensed clinic.

The HFEA said: “We would warn men providing genetic material that the only time they are not the father is when they donate through a licensed fertility clinic. This does not apply to unlicensed websites or home insemination.”

Lawyers say an increasing number of men are seeking legal advice after being approached by lesbian couples desperate to conceive but who cannot afford clinic costs.

Well, I am afraid that's just fucking tough. It goes without saying that this is another outrageous fuck-up by the state, a classic case of unintended consequences.

But this is absolutely fucking outrageous. The idea that this guy should be forced to support a child over which he has no legal right is just so very wrong that I am near wordless.

The idea that one of these lesbians must have fingered him as the father after the couple split up is just the most incredibly bitchy and unpleasant thing to do. Why the hell is the other "mother" not paying the maintenance?

Fuck 'em. Or, rather, don't.

11 comments:

Fidothedog said...

That has got to be the most expensive hand shady on record.

Robert said...

I agree that its a pretty below the belt attack from the Lesbian couple...

... but I'm not sure I understand how the State has fucked it up here. Isn't part of the point of going through a government agency so that you get certain protections: health, and legal. This DIY case is unfortunate, but no different in a legal context from a guy who impregnates a woman in the normal manner, who later goes on to form a lesbian relationship.

The answer is to stop DIY impregnation, by allowing Lesbians the same rights to sperm donors as heterosexual couples. If they don't have this, then thats the fault of the moral majority.

Shug Niggurath said...

I'm pretty sure they do have the same rights Robert, and the same associated costs - and frankly, if anyone demands free fertility treatments on the basis that they can't afford it, what are the chances of them having the necessary cash to pay for the consequences?

Either way - you can't have your rug and munch it - gay couples cannot by definition have children in the normal way - so they can't have children, it's a pathetic extension of the rights culture that they think they can.

Tobias Gregson said...

We have think clearly about this. A contradiction implies that one of our assumptions is false.

Women (gay or straight) should have no a priori right to maintenance from the father of their child. They have (or should have) the absolute right to terminate their unborn offspring. The father of the child should have no say in this matter, nor should anyone else as this would compromise the women's self-ownership. But the other side of this coin is that if a woman has full ownership of her reproductive organs (and of course she does), if she wishes the father to help fund the child's upbringing, she should have to get him to agree to an explicit contract. Maybe we could invent a word for this special kind of contract. "Marriage" maybe?

The idea that by ejaculating a man has agreed an implict contract to fund the upbringing of a child for 18 years is about as preposterous as me putting up some small print above my front door saying "anyone who enters owes me a million pounds". But, the law is an ass.

Of course, even more ridiculous is the notion that the completely innocent taxpayer should fund its upbringing. They didn't even get the two minutes of joy.

Little Black Sambo said...

Tobias Gregson: "They have (or should have) the absolute right to terminate their unborn offspring."
So that's settled, then.

Anonymous said...

“We would warn men providing genetic material that the only time they are not the father is when they donate through a licensed fertility clinic."

Until, of course, they change the law and retrospectively hold you responsible for maintenance, just like that, easy.

It's harsh, but this bloke just wasn't thinking when he agreed to this. There is no way on earth I would have agreed to do this, for a million reasons. It is crazy and ludicrous that he has to pay, and sums up entirely the state's indulgent attitude to the rug munchers, but still...silly man. You would have to be living on the Moon not to realise that men have absolutely no rights in Britain today, he was a sitting duck.

Deadbeat Dad said...

Fucking appalling behaviour on the part of all three adults concerned, it would appear. Pity the children.

The MSM picked up this story from mum's appearance on GMTV yesterday - I wonder whether she was paid a fee for this (and, if so, whether it will be declared to the Benefits Agency).

Roger Thornhill said...

I don't care if the bloke was not thinking, only that the Lesbian woman is just an utter hypocrite and a scumbag. Not suitable to raise a child, in fact.

The father should consider suing for custody.

Slutty McWhore said...

Devil's Kitchen: You probably don't realize this because I can't imagine that you get laid all that often, but it's really the responsibility of the man as to where he puts his cock or, in this case, sperm donation. The guy in question was crazy not to sign some sort of legal contract guaranteeing that he would not be held financially responsible for the child at any point. The situation he finds himself in may not be fair but it's own bloody fault.

Devil's Kitchen said...

"Devil's Kitchen: You probably don't realize this because I can't imagine that you get laid all that often..."

What a stunted imagination you have.

"... but it's really the responsibility of the man as to where he puts his cock or, in this case, sperm donation."

Really? And there was me thinking that it took two to tango and that, in this day and age of equality, responsibility should be bourn by both participants.

Silly me! I had, obviously, not caught up with the latest "women have no responsibility for what gets stuck in their hole" decree. Do forgive me.

"The guy in question was crazy not to sign some sort of legal contract guaranteeing that he would not be held financially responsible for the child at any point."

Well, that I do agree with.

DK

Slutty McWhore said...

"Bourn"?, Devil's Kitchen, "Bourn"? What a pity that your expensive posh cunt education seems to have been wasted on you, as you still cannae spell. The word's "borne", darling.

And there's only thing stunted around here, and it certainly isn't my imagination.

The women in question wereresponsible for the sperm they collected from this guy. They made it perfectly clear to him what they were going to do with it, and what the outcome would be, and he agreed.

My point was not that women shouldn't be held responsible for their part in the sexual act, but that men should just use a fucking condom (or not give their sperm away to lesbians without some sort of legal contract to safeguard their rights!) if they don't want to deal with possible pregnancies. If they don't, then they have no-one but themselves to blame.

In your father's case, if he'd only insisted on double condoms and a liberal dose of spermicide, the world would have been saved from your pathetic, misogynistic drivel.