Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Sunny Hundal: intellectual pygmy, hypocrite and coward

I really don't know why I do this, but I got into a debate at Pickled Politics which turned into a steadily more ridiculous conversation during which you might be surprised to know that I uttered not a single swearword. My contributions start here.

It got steadily sillier and sillier, although quite entertaining, until Sunny popped his wee head round the corner.
Given how you were content for Iraqis to remain under the control of a genocidal dictator and his equally genocidal sons for

Was I Morgoth? Or is putting up straw-men the only way you can have a discussion? I’d say that your neo-con buddies, who you are cheerleading were closer to Saddam Hussain than I have ever been.

But this is what I mean by a stupid debate. People like you, simpletons, can only have a discussion by putting up straw-men.

Anyway, enough of the trolls on this thread. This is not a blog for jousting thanks.

Amis is a in-bred idiot who can’t tell his arse from his elbow. And it’s funny to see so-called libertarians and ‘rationalists’ and people apparently in favour of the enlightenment cheer-leading for mass internment. Which is perhaps why I stopped paying attention to Morgoth, DK etc a while back.

He then closed the thread.

Are the neo-cons as bad as Saddam Hussain? You know, I think that I could argue that they are not. But then again, I am pretty sure that Sunny would have let Saddam have Kuwait in the early nineties, mass-murdering dictator that he was. But that is because Sunny would rather appease than take action, disgusting little man that he is.

I mean, who cares, right, Sunny? You know, one lot of Arabs invade another lot of Arabs, who gives a shit, right? Saddam murders a load of marsh Arabs and a load of Kurds in his own country, who gives a crap, right, Sunny? Anything to stop those eeeeeevil Americans and their powerful Jewish lobby, right?

Actually, yes, I can see it now: the neo-cons democratically elected to government in the US are exactly like mass-murdering dictator Saddam Hussain: how silly of me not to see that before.

OK, now that we have all acknowleged that ChimpyMcBushHitler is the cause of all world suffering, let's look at the logical inconsistencies in this one post of Sunny's.
Anyway, enough of the trolls on this thread. This is not a blog for jousting thanks.

There is a considerable difference between "trolls" and the perfectly on topic points that I was making and the calm, reasonable and rational way in which I put them.

And this "is not a blog for jousting"? Jousting? I would call calm lively debate and I thought that that was why we bloggers allowed comments. If all you are going to allow is comments that agree with you, then you are not going to get a healthy conversation going, are you? Perhaps Sunny should just announce that Pickled Politics is not the place for debate, thanks.
And it’s funny to see so-called libertarians and ‘rationalists’ and people apparently in favour of the enlightenment cheer-leading for mass internment.

It is utterly obvious that I was doing no such thing; what I was saying is that Amis is entirely at liberty to make his opinion heard, even if I do not agree with it. Unfortunately, Sunny wouldn't know that because he...
... stopped paying attention to Morgoth, DK etc a while back.

Now, due to time constraints, I often do not reply to comments when I should and for that I apologise. However, every comment gets emailed to me and I read every comment in full. I also do not close threads (apart from on one occasional when I was threatened with legal action. Fucking medicos).

I certainly do not misattribute opinions to people, then admit that I haven't even bothered to read their comments anyway, have a swipe at them and then close threads; those would be the actions of an intellectual pygmy, hypocrite and coward.

And this is from the owner of a site that has the strapline "current affairs for a progressive generation".

Thank goodness we "so-called libertarians and ‘rationalists’" have the courage to stand up for our beliefs and argue them rationally, unlike this "progressive generation" that Sunny purports to represent.

But then Sunny is a deeply, deeply unpleasant person. This is a man who welcomed the election of a brown person in the US (at the same time implying that all Republicans and all Southern State US citizens were racist) even though he utterly disagreed with his politics. In other words, according to Sunny, Bobby Jindal's election was a good thing simply because he was not white.

Given this overt racism, I can only applaud Morgoth's comment on the Islamofascism thread that I was commenting on.
Sunny said: Just wondering you know. After all, we don’t want people to think you only care about white people’s lives now… would we?

Given how you were content for Iraqis to remain under the control of a genocidal dictator and his equally genocidal sons for another fifty years, do you give a fuck about other people’s lives, Sunny?

And given how often (just about every single post) it is you who plays the race card, can we safely assume that it is you who are the race-obsessed saddo here? The plain facts of the matter are, Sunny, that without your self-aggrandising and self-consuming obsession with “race”, you would be nothing. You’re incapable of seeing anything except through the prism of skin colour. You’re just another professional race-baiter like Lee Jasper or Nick Griffin. And you’re as racist as both of them.

So there we have it, ladies and gentlemen, Sunny Hundal: intellectual pygmy, racist, hypocrite, tacit anti-semite and Islamist cheerleader, and coward.

Oh, did I mention that that he writes for Comment Is Free...?

14 comments:

wonderfulforhisage said...

From where I sit, of course the Neocons are worse than Saddam H. They are in OUR tent pissing all over the place (Rendition, Torture, Lies, and....and .....and.......)

Saddam was outside our tent.

Now, on the other hand, were I God or B.Liar, I might have seen things from a different perspective.

Mind you, I suspect God would have been a bit more merciful towards civilians.

Newmania said...

There may be an uncomfortable germ of truth in this :

"that without your self-aggrandising and self-consuming obsession with “race”, you would be nothing. "

It is therefore an exceedingly unkind comment.

On the other hand I read your posts and they were actually saying you should make a distiction between some theocratic fascists and Muslims. I would have thought this was a reasonable point of view.I`m suprised that any great offence should have been taken.I`ve said far worse things.

I don`t object to him closing his thread, he can do whatever he likes . Of course he cannot claim he has an open poliicy to comments.

Interesting ( and entertaining)

Thomas Gordon said...

Rubbish

Sunny Hundal is a waste of space-he should of been binned around 1945.

Machiavelli's Understudy said...

I also do not close threads (apart from on one occasional when I was threatened with legal action. Fucking medicos)

I must have been sleeping that day.

What happened?

What did you allege? :)

Devil's Kitchen said...

As a matter of fact, it was nothing to do with me. At all.

The legal threat came as a result on a couple of comments by other people on a piece written by my colleague, Dr De'Ath.

DK

Morgoth said...

Cheers for the hat-tip, DK.

Hundal really is a textbook example of the old saying: "scratch a liberal, find a fascist beneath".

JuliaM said...

"Oh, did I mention that that he writes for Comment Is Free...?"

He gets a regular trouncing in those columns too. Very kind of you not to mention that.... ;)

guido faux said...

I fully support the jihadi's right to go around carrying "behead the infidels" placards.

Those acts and the subsequent lack of criticism from certain quarters are most revealing.

Rumbold said...

Devil's Kitchen:

This was an example of a strawman:

Sunny: "Was I Morgoth? Or is putting up straw-men the only way you can have a discussion? I’d say that your neo-con buddies, who you are cheerleading were closer to Saddam Hussain than I have ever been."

That was Sunny's point- just because he was opposed to the Iraq war does not mean he was pro-Saddam, and he was trying to show that asserting such a thing was ridiculous (and so turned the tables to show what it felt like).

"Perhaps Sunny should just announce that Pickled Politics is not the place for debate, thanks."

It is a very good place for debate, but it can get tiresome if people are just slagging each other off back and forth. I understand why he closed the thread.

"But then Sunny is a deeply, deeply unpleasant person. This is a man who welcomed the election of a brown person in the US (at the same time implying that all Republicans and all Southern State US citizens were racist) even though he utterly disagreed with his politics. In other words, according to Sunny, Bobby Jindal's election was a good thing simply because he was not white."

Actually what Sunny said was that he was pleased to see a non-white person making inroads into a traditionally racist area (racist on the basis that so many of them had recently voted for David Duke, the former KKK leader).

"So there we have it, ladies and gentlemen, Sunny Hundal: intellectual pygmy, racist, hypocrite, tacit anti-semite and Islamist cheerleader, and coward."

It sounds like you are indulging in hyperbolic name-calling about Sunny, when in the same post you were complaining about it being done to you.

Anonymous said...

morgoth:

As a liberal I object to being lumped in with the likes of Sunny. Damn leftist petty authoritarians, scared that they may be wrong so they must force others to behave as they see best.

Personally I have a great dislike for neo-cons and the new right. I also have a great dislike of Saddam Hussein. I still opposed the war as it was bound to be a failure stretching our troops and was not in response to an attack by Iraq on us or our allies (in contrast to the first gulf war when an ally, Kuwait was subject to an unprovoked attacked or Afghanistan where terrorists supported and harboured by the regime attacked our ally the USA).

Yours,
Socrates

poohbear said...

Of course there are true libertarians trapped within the spiders web of the 'big three'! The common means of inter-communication is the blogosphere and slowly we should be able to form a common purpose? It may be a kind of 'the enemy of my enemy is my aunties fathers mothers uncle' Etc BUT its better than leaving it untill the nightmare is upon us? May I suggest we make alliances now in the calm before the storm? We all know that the Fascist EU is out to silence the net, and when it does then making these essential alliances will be very difficult due to mistrust and hatred in other areas?
Come on ramblers, its time to connect with our future allies?

Anonymous said...

As Daffersd I had an exchange of views with Sunny at Harrys Place, and it made me realize just how lost the liberal left is.

Great blog you have here, love your style, well and truely bookmarked.

Also Morgoth is just incredible on Harrys Place, what staying power. I gave up debating the left a while back, as it was so tedious.

Anonymous said...

I am getting mightily sick of reading huffy and ill-thought out responses to Amis's confession of a momentary 'urge' - as I am of reading about his 'admission' of 'racism' at Cheltenham (I attended the talk, and, as was blindingly obvious to anyone who was present and not a scurrilous journalistic fuck or a dipshitted lefty, Amis was talking about racism and generational development _in general_). The PP reaction - which treats Amis's 'urge' as a political programme, and lazily describes Amis pere as an 'antisemite' (don't they know that he _existed_ to piss off small-minded wankers like them?) - is precisely the work of intellectual pygmies, who cannot tell the difference between an admission of an 'urge' and an ideology. In 100 years' time, people will still read 'Money'. Why can't people fucking listen to what other people say, instead of fitting it into some sort of pre-arranged system? Rant over. Great blog.

Anonymous said...

I agree he is a total cunt. I got banned form his blog. Because i spoke back to right wing people. I do not get him. He then called me a loony. I have decided to hate sikhs. He is a bastard. He allowed some creep called conchis on the blog to call me a freak. I called conchis names back and my posts were deleted while conchis the peado posts were allowed. I fucking hate him and his crappy people now. Sikihs must be total cunts. If they are like Sunny the bastard bully boy. I hate his bullying snide natuyre he allows right wing people to insult me then fuckibng insults me fuck him the nazis wanker. No wonder indians hate sikhs they must be all cocks fo the highest order. The guy has made ma a racist i hoe i will recover from this rqacims but if sikhs are like him then fuck off to them.