Friday, June 08, 2007

It is 25 years since the Galahad was bombed by Argentine fighters.
Welsh Guards veterans of the Falklands War have held a service to mark the 25th anniversary of the bombing of the troop ship Sir Galahad.

A total of 48 men, most of them Welsh Guards, were killed when Argentine jets attacked the ship on 8 June 1982.

Strange how you never hear the fucking Leftie bastards bitching and whining about the sinking of our ships whilst being more than happy to wring their hands over the dead of the General Belgrano (which was sunk entirely legitimately and anyone who says otherwise is a double-dyed cunt and pig-ignorant to boot.)

UPDATE: Not A Sheep lays out the facts nice and clearly.

31 comments:

Mark Wadsworth said...

In the context of nothing in particular, here's a link to my posts over at S&M, of which I am rather proud (third and fourth down).

knirirr said...

I wonder if the leftist obsession with the , as you say, legitimately-sunk Belgrano is only because Maggie seemed to be involved with it.

Anonymous said...

Aye and the Argies can keep that poof Ardeles

Nicodemus said...

They also conveniently forget it waw a fascist dictatorship that fell as a consequence.
As usual the wetting of knickers gets in the way of sense.
By the way - despite our losses what we did in the Falklands makes you proud - it was an amazing campaign fought at the end of a very long supply chain and we defeated a dug in enemy despite odds of 3 to 1 against.
Somehow I can't see the ZaNuLab lot giving our boys the rules of engagement to let them do that...witness their hamstringing in Mespotamia.

Roger Thornhill said...

Such lefties are self-loathers who kick over the potty everytime they enter or leave a room.

Ordovicius said...

I wonder if the leftist obsession with the , as you say, legitimately-sunk Belgrano is only because Maggie seemed to be involved with it.

That and the fact that most of those killed where Welsh, or the "fucking Welsh" as Tony would say.

Shotgun said...

Having been there, I couldn't agree more. You should see the fuckers faces when I tell them I think the whole fucking country should have been nuked and the Belgrano left.

How do they square a right wing fascist military dictator invading our territory though?

Gavin Ayling said...

Double-dyed what now? How does that work?

Neal Asher said...

To the leftists she is always THATCHER - a figure of hate. Funny how under their chosen leadership our armed forces have been involved in more conflicts since the WWII than under any Conservative government. I wonder why? Is it because the present government is full of ignorant cunts, do you think?

Unity said...

Hang on a second.

Before the 'I love Maggie' brigade get too carried away, the 'controversy' stemmed directly from an error of basic judgement in Tory ranks.

The account of the circumstances of the sinking given to the Commons immediately afterwards contained factual inaccuracies that we known to the government at the time of the statement.

Ordinarily that would be a resignation matter, but in regards to operational information about British Forces engaged in combat, Ministers may knowingly give inaccurate information to the House so as to provide information of use to the enemy.

The duty to correct such inaccuracies as soon as practicable remains in force, although in practice it means once the whole shooting match is done and if asked for a statement by an MP - oh, an in giving such a correction the Minister is (quite rightly) not required to offer the House an apology, although I believe the prevailing custom is that a token apology is offered, and immediately declined as unnecessary, I think, by the Speaker.

(Parliamentary customs are funny thing, but I suspect this one is purely to ensure that parliament's acceptance of the necessity of the minister's actions is place formally on record)

The problem arose because when Tam Dalyell asked the question after the conflict was over, the government stuck to the original story and dug itself into a hole, then proceeded to try and cover its arse, all for fear of Maggie catching for a bit of bad press that would take a bit of the shine off things - all of which went pear-shaped when Clive Ponting blew the whistle on the subsequent cover-up.

The Belgrano is possibly the dumbest controversy in Parliamentary history simply because that one error of judgement resulted in the government trying to cover up the fact that they'd done absolutely nothing wrong in sinking the damn ship in the first place.

Unity said...

Damn those typos - ministers may, of course, misinform the House in wartime so as NOT to provide the enemy with information.

2-IN-C said...

What a squalid post. Especially given that you were probably a toddler at the time. It's not enough just to draw attention to the dignified survivors of the Sir Galahad, is it? Not when you can drag in some bile about "lefties" - the straw-men by whom you love to define yourself.

Does it occur to civvy fcuktards like yourself that it's possible to express regret at the waste of young life - on both sides of a conflict? Do you think the likes of Chris Keeble joined in with the triumphant crowing of No 10?

john miller said...

I apologise. Humbly. Really. But can you blog on what these cunts have done at their G8 conference. OK they have totally overstated their decision on global warming (not, please note, their actions)but that is to be expected. No, they have proudly announced their decision to spend £60,0000,0000,0000 on aids in Africa. Did I miss that in the NuLab manifesto? No? Funny, that's how I thought democracy worked. If, however, you lie through your teeth and then promise to spend someone ELSES' money, isn't that theft? Suppose I went up to Cherie's place and said, Give me £10 to spend on blind people, yet when she gave me the money I spent it on booze, would she be upset? ITS NOT YOUR FUCKING MONEY YOU CUNTS. WHY DO YOU THINK WE THINK THAT IS A GRAND GESTURE!!! Had you said we very rich people are personally going to donate £100 each to African blind people I would have been happy. But look at me - what would people I know say about me if I said Hey, I am going to spend £100 of someone else's money on charity - what would my friends say about me?

mitch said...

I would say that the reason leftys hate the falklands war is because it was just, it was in the british interest and we won.Iraq hmm no one wanted it it was wrong and oh it was a labour war (one of many) oh dear.and afganistan oops toni again,kosovo and again and many others.fukin hypocrites.

Mark Wadsworth said...

John Miller (pseudonym?) great post, love the bit in upper case.

2-in-C "it's possible to express regret at the waste of young life - on both sides of a conflict?"

This is a libertarian blog, rule 1, never start a war/fight/whatever, rule 2, if somebody attacks you, you are allowed to retaliate in any way you choose.

Sacerdote said...

2-in-c, where's your patriotism, man? I was at university at the time, wearing my 'Peace through superior firepower' and 'nuke argentina 'till it glows' t-shirts. Just to piss off the lefties. There's nothing like a facist dictator invading British soil to get the bllod up.

mark wadsworth said...

"ITS NOT YOUR FUCKING MONEY YOU CUNTS. WHY DO YOU THINK WE THINK THAT IS A GRAND GESTURE!!!"

A superb post, I had to come back to it and highlight it.

Shotgun said...

The Belgrano is possibly the dumbest controversy in Parliamentary history simply because that one error of judgement resulted in the government trying to cover up the fact that they'd done absolutely nothing wrong in sinking the damn ship in the first place.

Agreed Unity.

If the Belgrano had been sat at anchor in port, it would still have been justified because of the morale effect it would have produced in the Argie forces, i.e. fuck, we are on our own, etc etc.

A bit like how the Ghurkas chopepd the heads off bodies at the Albatross, a whaling station at the bottom of San Carlos water, and mixed them up with all the bodies, before putting them in 4 gallon drums. (the body couldn't rest in the afterlife with the head etc. etc.) and that was a deliberate act to effect enemy moral.)

Personally, at the time, I thought the more Argie fuckers dead the better.

Shotgun said...

Does it occur to civvy fcuktards like yourself that it's possible to express regret at the waste of young life - on both sides of a conflict?

I was there, and the more of the young Argie cunts that died the better, even now, and I have not one single regret at any of the fuckers snuffing it on their side.

The result is that they will think twice before ever trying it again.

Fuck them, and fuck you.

Trixy said...

The sinking of the Belgrano wasn't illegal in any way. It may have been outside the zones which the Conservative government imposed, but they weren't official rules of engagement and didn't have any basis in international law.

Also, even though the GB was heading away from the Falklands it was engaged in a pincer movement, and thus a legitimate military target.

JM: couldn't agree more. Also, perhaps if they wanted to halt aids in Africa they could start with education so men with aids don't go around raping babies thinking that sleeping with a virgin, the younger the better, will cure them.

Mr. Hughes said...

I remember being a bit dubious at the time about the Falklands - the point being that the Argentine invasion would never have happened if the Thathcer government hadn't sent the wrong signal by announcing the withdrawal of naval patrols round the islands. However, once Argentina invaded and occupied British territory I like most people felt we had a duty to kick them out. The Belgrano sinking was ruthless but necessary and according to the uses of war; if the Argies didn't want to play rough they shouldn't have started it all in the first place, should they?
The main thing I can't help feeling now is that if something like that happened again we would be unable to mount another similar operation; after the idiotic and continuing cuts in our armed forces carried out by the NuLabour idiots we no longer have the resources. It drives me mad that while involving us in more wars than ever, Blair and his hypocritical blinkered androids don't seem to understand the necessity for *expanding* our armed forces, like the US, not *cutting* them. It's not as though we couldn't afford it, specially given the massive amounts NuLabour have squandered in failed social experimentation and meaningless 'reforms' of health, education, etc. The result is, as usual, our highly professional armed forces are being made to pay the price in terms of over-stretch and pathetically inadequate resources. It's a scandal, and people like Blair and Co. should be brought to account for it - though don't hold your breath!

Theo Spark said...

We should have bagged their aircraft carrier as well. We had the chance.

bill said...

Mr Hughes and theo spark are both right. If they didn't want the Belgrano sunk they shouldn't have invaded. And yes if we could have done the same to the Veinte Cinco de Maio: ditto.

Not a sheep said...

Thanks for reminding me of this anniversary, it prompted me to to put an article on my blog.
http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.com/2007/06/general-confusion.html

Devil's Kitchen said...

Unity,

The Belgrano is possibly the dumbest controversy in Parliamentary history simply because that one error of judgement resulted in the government trying to cover up the fact that they'd done absolutely nothing wrong in sinking the damn ship in the first place.

I didn't know any of that: thanks. However, it's not really relevent either; the majority of people who get exercised about this attack the sinking of the Belgrano, not the Parliamentary procedure attached to it.

2-in-C,

Does it occur to civvy fcuktards like yourself that it's possible to express regret at the waste of young life - on both sides of a conflict?

You call me squalid? I defend our actions in a time of war and I'm squalid? It goes without saying that I honour the crew of the Galahad. And the Bristol for that matter. But it goes without saying that those were brave men.

My contention is with the fucktards who try to find any excuse -- "the Falklands shouldn't belong to us"; "sinking the Belgrano was wrong"; "Maggie only went to war to boost her election ratings", and so on and so forth -- to denigrate those people.

Yes, war is shit and my post was hardly of the "Gotcha!" tone, but there are people who believe that we should have left our citizens to the tender mercies of a military junta which Disappeared some 60,000 people during its reign.

Fuck that, and fuck you too, sunshine.

DK

Mr. Hughes said...

P.S. And what we need most of all is a proper, expanded and re-equipped Royal Navy - always the essential bulwark of an island nation - not one reduced to half its size and smaller for the first time in centuries than the f**king FRENCH navy!!

2-in-c said...

Don't "sunshine" me, you horse-faced prick.

My post wasn't about military necessity, the vanity of the Argie high command, or how bravery and grim resolve won the day. You could have chosen to simply honour the dead. Playing battleships and shouting cunt does little to serve their memory. It says more about your bullshit posturing, i.e. "lefties" - and the things you hope they say. A subset of british people who whinge about the Belgrano and who do not mourn our own losses? Why, how convenient for you.

Making political capital from a safe distance is never an edifying sight. True then. True now.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Making political capital from a safe distance is never an edifying sight. True then. True now.

Ah, I see: because I have never been in the armed forces, I am not allowed to comment on any war?

Fuck off, you twat.

DK

Shotgun said...

Were you there oh great military expert? Or are you another socialist cock sucker that thinks they know about everything?

Playing battleships and shouting cunt does little to serve their memory.

It does a lot to honour them when there are utter cunts like you about...now go fuck yourself sunshine.

Cunt.

2-in-c said...

loath as I am to add to this thread...

shotgun,

When did I claim I was there? I was a pad brat. My old man was a para. And whilst the job needed doing, he despised the myth-making that followed. Is that allowed?

Little Black Sambo said...

By the time this poisonous government is kicked out the Royal Navy will be a coastguard service. Have the Conservatives given any undertaking about increasing the armed forces, and if not why not?