Tuesday, April 17, 2007

Immigration Kills

On 'Newsnight' last night, the impeccably coiffed Gavin Esler began the report into the Virgina Tech mass shootings by pronouncing, in that inimitable Ulster-Scots twang, that the shooter had 'exercised his consitutional right to bear arms'.
If, as has been reported in some quarters, the mass murderer was a Chinese national, he wasn't exercising his own constitutional right to bear arms - he was in fact exercising somebody else's.
The bedwetting British left has predictably got its Pampers in a twist about the idea that people can use guns to kill other people. Even the Daily Telegraph has got in on the act.
But the idea that immigrants can do a bad thing, any bad thing, is anathema to opinion-formers - they rush to blame the guns he used to kill, not the immigrant's own hideous, warping hatred. They rush to blame the university authorities - as if journalists have any have any experience of trying to organise the mass evacuation of approximately 8,000 very frightened people from a small area while under fire. The idea that the resulting stampede might have caused an even higher death toll doesn't cross their minds - coming from a culture where it's apparently legal for a crook to bounce cheques and then sue to claim back the resulting bank charges, their absolute (and unjustified) belief in their own competence means they have developed a correspondingly absolute lack of humility.
I have no intention of going to London for the forseeable future; principally because I don't think I'd feel safe there unless I'd be able to defend myself.

15 comments:

JuliaM said...

"The idea that the resulting stampede might have caused an even higher death toll doesn't cross their minds.."

One report in the paper this morning said that several studentswere thought to have died after jumping from third-story windows to escape...

Anonymous said...

Sure, banning guns isn't going to rid the world of psychotic fuckwits, but, to quote some long forgotten source, when did you last hear of drive by garottings?

The assertion in your title is risible. Go on, twitch the curtain, see if "they" have come for you yet, it'll make you feel better.

Martin said...

Anonymous,

I am not a good mood today.

Don't push me.

Angry Steve said...

Apparently Virginia recently quashed a bill that would have allowed CCL holders to carry their weapons on campus.

Perhaps, had a CCL holder been there, with their weapon, the death toll would have been lower.

Brian Dunbar said...

Sure, banning guns isn't going to rid the world of psychotic fuckwits, but, to quote some long forgotten source, when did you last hear of drive by garottings?

You can't ban guns and keep them out of the hands of the bad guys.

We tried that in the 20s with alcohol. We're still trying it now with drugs. All we've got from that latter deal is rich hoods and drugs of uncertain quality.

Perhaps it's different in the UK - but here the only effect gun control laws and gun-free zones have is to create helpless citizens.

ChrisM said...

"Sure, banning guns isn't going to rid the world of psychotic fuckwits, but, to quote some long forgotten source, when did you last hear of drive by garottings?"

That's a bit irrelevant, given that we have pretty much banned guns in the UK, and yet still have drive by shootings.

Vaguely related, (sort of).

The NRA have got something on in London on May 5th. I'm looking forward to shooting a variety of firearms!!

Anonymous said...

We have shootings in the UK, but on nowhere near the scale as in the US. Is this because we have more peaceful, law abiding people? Probably not. I suspect that it's because we don't make it easy to walk into a shop and within a couple of days have a semi-automatic rifle. If you increase the number of guns, not only will you increase the number of gun homicides, but you will also increase accidental shootings. I'm not going to deny that we have a gun problem here, but I know I feel safer knowing that only a very guns are around, rather than every old lady having a pistol under her skirt.

Of course, they could always raise the price of bullets to $10,000 - then, as Chris Rock says, there'd be no innocent bystanders...

Unmoved-UK said...

The political scum have plenty of guns and no small willingness to use 'em as at least one Brazilian is no longer here to testify about. If one of these campus/school massacres happened each and every single day of the year it would take several thousand years before the death toll came anywhere near the 200 million human beings murdered by armed government goons in the 2oth century alone--and that's only massacres--not even counting wars--I want not only the right to shoot back but the means to do so and if an occassional nutter on a spree is the price--too bad!.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Um, sorry but, I believe, Canada has a higher per capita gun ownership rate but a far lower per capita gun-murder rate.

DK

Unity said...

Actually, DK, Switzerland makes for a better argument.

All Swiss men are required to undergo military training and are legally reservists in the Swiss Army (which is a militia army) until the age of 30 (34 for officers) during which time they are issued with and expected to maintain at home, a standard Army issue assault rifle. Officers and medical personnel get a semi-automatic pistol.

Elaib said...

James Bartholemew comes in on this very well
http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/archives/2007/04/banning_guns_is.php

And of course, this will not suprise you DK, That Farage bloke weighed in yesterday on the BBC with the following comments,
"We have not got it (Gun legislation) right. It was knee-jerk reaction.

"Hungerford was awful, Dunblane was quite horrific and just like the Dangerous Dogs Act, we overreacted, we put in place a piece of legislation which means our Olympic pistol team have to go to France to practice, they are not allowed to practice in the UK.

"It is because politicians think that if you see a problem if you put a piece of legislation that will solve the problem. Clearly it doesn't."

"I am not against a proper licensing system; that is sensible and that is what we should be doing.

"But to bring in a total ban and for Mr Blair to stand up in the Commons and say that by doing this gun crime would be brought under control, well we know that gun crime is far worse now than it was before handguns were banned."

"I do not think we are complacent. I have a son at school in south London and he is very conscious that guns and knives are out there on the streets in very big numbers. Legislation is not the answer, but having real police on the beat might just be."

Andrew Field said...

Devil's Kitchen said...

Um, sorry but, I believe, Canada has a higher per capita gun ownership rate but a far lower per capita gun-murder rate.

DK

Surely a point that pours equal scorn on the spurious notion that 'gun's don't kill people, immigration kills people'. I don't remember the (metaphorical) barbed wire borders of Canada being any thicker than those of her southern neighbour.

This is an absurd argument to make from this case - akin to saying, ban all English Lit students, or heartsick lovers... policies I'd support except it would mean you and I would be goosestepped out of here before you can say 'correlation does not equal cause'.

Martin said...

Andrew,

'gun's don't kill people, immigration kills people'.

Well, actually people kill people, as Samantha Anderson's family wll be able to tell you -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6563771.stm

However I don't think you can argue one absolute fact - the people he murdered would now be alive had Cho Seung-hui not been admitted to the United States from South Korea.

That is the indisputable fact, the ne plus ultra, the Alpha and the Omega

Andrew Field said...

Well, yes. But only in the same way that the people he murdered would now be alive had he not been admitted to Virginia Tech's English programme.

Hence... Admissions Kill people?

I don't really see what you're suggesting. As a naturalised English-speaking academic this guy would have been towards the top of most people's lists of acceptable immigrants. Only the most draconian of immigration policies could have kept such a seemingly respectable candidate out.

Are you saying that there should be no international mobility? That we should all stay exactly where we are for fear that in dealing out immigrants and emigrants we may wind up with a gun-wielding joker in our hand?

What about tourism - just as likely a loose cannon could wind up on our shores? Or diplomatic/work related visits?

Immigration or otherwise, random acts of violence happen (as the hundred plus other victims of collegiate shootings across america would tell you were they not all, well, dead.)

Martin said...

Andrew,

"But only in the same way that the people he murdered would now be alive had he not been admitted to Virginia Tech's English programme.

Hence... Admissions Kill people?"

A non sequitur.

"As a naturalised English-speaking academic this guy would have been towards the top of most people's lists of acceptable immigrants."

Prove it. Otherwise, that's ideology talking.

"Only the most draconian of immigration policies could have kept such a seemingly respectable candidate out."

Perhaps the most draconian immigration policies are what's required. Take a look at this table -

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/foreign/ppl-176/tab02-1.pdf

Before 1970, virtually nobody under the age of 30 was admitted to the USA. Cho Seung Hoi was one of 299,000 people aged between 5-14 who were admitted to the USA during the 1990's.

Hardly draconian.

"Are you saying that there should be no international mobility? That we should all stay exactly where we are for fear that in dealing out immigrants and emigrants we may wind up with a gun-wielding joker in our hand"

Afetr having to undergo a test for tuberculosis at the age of 35, I kind of came to the opinion that international mobility should be very, very greatly reduced. Here are the latest British figures for immigration, realised by ONS today -

"In 2005, an estimated 565,000 migrants arrived to live in the UK for at least a year. This was lower than the 2004 estimate, but higher than all other years since the method to estimate Total International Migration began in 1991.

In the same period, 380,000 people emigrated from the UK for a year or more; over half of these were British citizens. Australia was the most popular destination for British emigrants followed by Spain and France.

Net migration, the difference between immigration and emigration, was 185,000. This was equivalent to adding just over 500 people a day to the UK population."

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=260

500 a day. In one year. Sobering.

Incidentally, hypermobile human almost always move in one direction - this one. I read no reports of Britons swarming to settle in the wilder parts of sub-Saharan Africa.

And who's to say the joker has to be wielding a gun?

"A doctor who put thousands of patients at risk by working at hospitals across the UK while suffering from hepatitis B has been jailed for 18 months.
Emergency doctor Daniel Mutunda, 43, of Barking, east London, asked a friend to provide a blood sample for him after a routine test showed he had the virus.

He was jailed at Hull Crown Court on Thursday after earlier admitting falsely claiming to be medically fit.

Judge Simon Jack said the damage done by Mutunda was "incalculable"....

When a routine blood screening showed Congo-born Mutunda had the life-threatening virus, he asked a friend to provide a blood sample for him and continued working.

He was suspended in 2004 after an investigation by the General Medical Council (GMC), but continued to work, securing employment through an agency.

Mr Jack said due to the fact Mutunda continued to practice despite being suspended, his only option was to impose a prison sentence. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6572131.stm

Oops! Here's another one, on a favourite topic; Eastern Europeans' drink-driving habits -

"A man left paralysed following a car crash has been jailed for two years for causing death by careless driving with excess alcohol.

Janis Punins, 37, was twice over the drink-drive limit at the time of the crash in Crossmaglen in December 2005.

His front-seat passenger, Sarmite Prikule, 44, also originally from Latvia, was killed in the crash...

He told police he had earlier shared a bottle of vodka with friends and was on his way to buy cider...

The court in Newry heard that he will never walk again.

The judge said a "humane approach" was called for in this case. He said that with no English, no family or roots in Northern Ireland, prison would be more difficult.

He said that "combining justice with mercy", the proper sentence would be two years in prison."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6565467.stm

You write,

"Immigration or otherwise, random acts of violence happen (as the hundred plus other victims of collegiate shootings across america would tell you were they not all, well, dead.)"

Indeed they do. For your interest, a list of other mass killings perpetrated in the USA by migrants and immigrants can be found here -

http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/04/17/immigrant-shootings/