Friday, November 24, 2006

Quote of the day

From Perry at Samizdata.
Again and again, when people here on Samizdata and elsewhere pointed out that there was nothing 'conservative' about 'Dave' Cameron, various Tory apologists kept saying "oh, but Dave does not really think those things!"...

I look forward to them now explaining how the Right Honourable Member for Witney can be making common cause for an authoritarian socialist like Polly Toynbee.

Perhaps the few remaining members of the dwindling faithful who voted for this jackass to be their leader should repent their ways and go join a real conservative party before 'Dave' does the 'full Toynbee' and backs the forcible suppression of all private education, confiscation of private wealth (oh, sorry, he's already decided to back that) and nationalisation of whole industries like dear Polly would like.

Sorry for quoting the whole thing, but it just would not have made so much delicious sense if I had taken merely a section.

Can I continue to point out that, if enough people back UKIP then they will become a more professional party. Can I also point out that, if this happens, then they will be able to mount a really good election campaign. And if they do that, then they could become a major party and we libertarians would be the backers of that party; we have a chance, my fellow lib bloggers, essentially to mould a party to our desires. We can become a political driving force; we can become the political driving force.

After all, who the hell had heard of the Labour Party before 1900? Come: join us...

10 comments:

Thersites said...

But that's based on the assumption that Cameron is in fact sincere. Is he bollocks - never have I seen such old school cynicism in my lifetime, and you can bet it will be Tory business as usual the day after he moves into No.10. Everyone knows what Cameron is up to, but they can't actually expose him (wha-hey!) as he covers his tracks very well.

Blair might believe his own bullshit, but I doubt Cameron believes in his. But then as HL Mencken said, a government of cynics is much more preferable to a government of idealists, as the last 9 years of fuck-ups show.

I'm still not voting for him though.

archduke said...

after hearing Cameron on Today this morning , wittering on soothingly about "wealth redistribution" i'm not so sure.

i guess i'll just have to take him at face value and go for the party that is closest to my libertarianism - and that would be UKIP.

Cameron was interviewed in the 8:10 slot - it should be up there later on this morning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/

JuliaM said...

"...you can bet it will be Tory business as usual the day after he moves into No.10"

I'm afraid that's a bet I, and several of my friends who would normally vote Conservative, are just no longer willing to take.....

Thersites said...
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Thersites said...

I'm afraid that's a bet I, and several of my friends who would normally vote Conservative, are just no longer willing to take...

And it is sad that you seem to be getting turfed out of your political home. But more paranoid souls might think that by alienating part of his base, Cameron thinks he can appeal to far more floating voters...

AntiCitizenOne said...

> by alienating part of his base, Cameron thinks he can appeal to far more floating voters

The conservative Party isn't a conservative party. It's merely a group of people prepared to say anything and tell any lie to get power.

Frank P said...

ACO

> It's merely a group of people prepared to say anything and tell any lie to get power. <

In that phrase you could just as well be describing any political party or, indeed, all politicians.

The next election will present us with a chance to oust the current bunch of lying bastards from the power that they gained by their lies prior to the election of 1997. They have been in power now for an obscenely protracted period and done much irreparable damage to our institutions and to government itself. How best to remove them? I'm afraid that the Tory Party is the other only viable option. UKIP fucked up at the last election - no chance whatasoever in this. The LibDems are ... well, the LibDems. Much as I despise Cameron and the whole bunch of prats around him; he has a evens chance of getting rid of the Labour Party. Let the Great and the Good sort him out once the reins are in his hands. There are some able ancient consiglieres who can guide him once het sets up his cabinet. It is time for a change, the only change possible is to vote Conservative. Whether he is using subterfuge or has convinced himself that the new ethos is valid is irrelevant. It's sad, but true. If they are successful and in ensuing 4-5years they fuck up too, a radical solution will have to be considered. Now that could be interesting!

JuliaM said...

"Let the Great and the Good sort him out once the reins are in his hands."

Hmm.....wonder if Old Labour once said that to themselves, about a certain Mr T Blair.....?

towcestarian said...

Sadly UKIP need to completely re-brand before they stand any chance of electoral credibility. A more productive alternative is to set up a network of RoC/Libertarian independents specifically to take votes away from the Conservatives. So what if this wipes out the party, out of the ashes something decent might emerge.

Ross Parker said...

"The conservative Party isn't a conservative party. It's merely a group of people prepared to say anything and tell any lie to get power."

Hard to see how they can differentiate themselves from Labour now.