Monday, July 31, 2006

Via Chris and MatGB, I find this little test which aims to match you to the party you should vote for in the European elections. Chris says:
Unsurprisingly the best group that fits my preferences is the Europe of Democracies and Diversities (EDD) Group, which translates to voting for UKIP.

Equally unsurprisingly, I got the same. However, the test does miss out the most crucial question, i.e. should the EU should exist at all? The answer is, of course, no.

12 comments:

Longrider said...

Me too. I always thought I was pro EU. However, I now realise that I am pro Europe, which ain't the same thing at all.

Devil's Kitchen said...

Of course it's not; it's still the first tactic that pro-EU people try though. I get the "oh, you're just one of those posh, middle-Englanders crying for the Empire" type stuff all the time.

I'm not anti-Europe; generally it's a really nice place. I just don't want to be part of an organisation which impoverishes everyone, both inside and out, and which I have never voted for.

This was, after all, one of your problems with the monarchy; that you pay for them and have never voted for them. Let me point the finger at the EU as being precisely the same (except that it costs us tens of billions rather than ten of millions).

DK

Longrider said...

Indeed.

David Farrer said...

EDD too.

Sadly, there was no "Smash the State" option.

John Anderson said...

I see Captain Dynamo (aka Geoff Hoon) is now trying to influence perception of the EU via the national curriculum. He wants to convince Alan Johnson at the Dept for Education that kids should be fed information (i.e. propoganda) about the EU as part of citizenship studies. None of the bad bits mind, just the "benefits" of membership. Perhaps he's looking for a job at the EU and thinks a bit of flattery might help. They could no doubt make good use of his talents.

Wyvern said...

EDD as well. It's a fix; is it an EDD site? :-P

chris said...

Just checked, it's not a fix. By voting for the most horrible statist way possible you end up European Socialist. Sensible answers give a sensible option, that is a party that wants to leave the EU.

Serf said...

It should have multiple choices for the questions.

For example, should agricultural aid, be aimed at environmental & social goals rather than just amount. What do you say if you think that farmers should earn their own keep just like the rest of us?

Squander Two said...

There is, however, a very big problem with the very idea of "the party you should vote for in the European elections": that the European Parliament has zero power, existing in a purely advisory capacity to the Commission. Why on Earth would anyone vote in the European elections? They're like Castro's referendum: if 100% of the electorate voted for the Destroy The EU Party, we'd still get the EU.

The Commission do actually do stuff, even if the stuff they do is bloody awful. MEPs are an even bigger waste of money than the commissioners, because they can do nothing except run up expenses.

MatGB said...

Definately not fixed, if you look at the results page at the end, click "total of recommendations" (gotta love sites partially worked on by NNSs) you see the overwhelming majority of respondents so far get Green or Euro-Lib. Given that it's mostly been prmoted until now to generally pro-types, that doesn't surprise me. It's a totally non-representative sample after all.

Actually, I'm lying, it's a completely scientific result that proves you're a small minority of... (I'll give up on that one now shall I). I got Green/Euro-Lib, which shouldn't surprise anyone that follows mysite, right?

Also, Squander? Euro-Parl now has quite a bit of power, since Nice and Amsterdam it's been able to reject and revise legislation, it als has considerable budgetary scrutiny. The Constitution would have strengthend it even more. Sure, only the commission can initiate legislation, but most UK law is Govt legislation anyway, so that's not a huge issue.

One that needs to be addressed, and a repeal process needs to go in, but to say it's toothless is to miss the abilities it does have; Codecision is the technical term they were using last Ir ead up on it.

AntiCitizenOne said...

No Euro wide demos, no democracy.

Say No to a federal EU.

MatGB said...

Heh. If no demos is your argument, sorry, we've already covered that one...

A federal EU would be better than the current mess, it would be both democratic and decentralised, rather than bureacratic and centralised.